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Do you also agree with the EU letting China slide over Hong Kong? Money more important than millions of people's freedom?

NicoJuicy 6y ago
Where does the EU say that? This is a false accusation accordign to me ( Belgium)
- ridewinter 6y ago
  I believe Sweden is the only EU country asking to actually do something about Hong Kong. https://www.politico.eu/article/josep-borrell-chinas-move-in-hong-kong-doesnt-endanger-investment-deals-eu-trade-business-national-security/ https://www.politico.eu/article/josep-borrell-chinas-move-in...
  - ridewinter 6y ago
    Could someone explain the downvoting please?
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rumanator 6y ago
> Do you also agree with the EU letting China slide over Hong Kong? Given how the EU allowed Russia to steamroll the Ukraine, why would the Chinese regime's attacks on Hong Kong would deserve more attention.
- mcfly1985 6y ago
  Ah, the time old argument of “two wrongs make a right!” China is systemically stealing IP from European companies, research from European universities, and forcing labor into a race to the bottom. Europeans would be wise to stand with Trump on this.
  - rumanator 6y ago
    >>Europeans would be wise to stand with Trump There is nothing wise about "standing with Trump" on any issue. His impact on allies is a kin of a moped doing figure 8s on a pigsty. And no country stands with Trump on anything. At most they stand with the current US administration, which happens to be presided by Trump. Trump the citizen is repellent and has no redeeming qualities. And by the way, Europe has its best interests in mind, and the current US administration already made it quite clear that the US under the Trump administration is a highly unreliable ally, and even a potential liability that's compromised by Europe's current biggest threat.
    - mcfly1985 6y ago
      > There is nothing wise about "standing with Trump" on any issue. The hackernews way of saying “Orange Man Bad.” > the current US administration already made it quite clear that the US under the Trump administration is a highly unreliable ally Dumbest thing I’ve read in a while.
      - amaccuish 6y ago
        >Dumbest thing I’ve read in a while. Why is it dumb? Could you expand? Because the person you've replied to has given a good argument and explained their way of thinking? What have you done?
        mcfly1985 6y ago
        > Because the person you've replied to has given a good argument and explained their way of thinking? What?! His comment is 100% opinion, with no supporting evidence. I guess that’s all hackernews needs, so long as it fits the Orange Man Bad narrative.
      - rumanator 6y ago
        > Dumbest thing I’ve read in a while. Then you certainly didn't headed Trump's threats to pull the US out of NATO. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/02/nato-donald-trump-second-term https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/02/nato-donald-tr... That's your high bar on Trump's reliability with regard to EU's vital interests. I don't need to explain the sheer idiocy of complaining about the EU's... skeptical attitude towards the Trump administration in general, and Trump specifically.
- pinkfoot 6y ago
  And Israel is about to make it a triple-play in the West Bank.
fxtentacle 6y ago
Do you agree with the EU letting US police brutality against protesters slide? Money more important than millions of black lives? My point here is that most of these issues look easy from the outside, but it's still difficult to do the right thing once you are involved.
- ridewinter 6y ago
  I don't, in fact. Principles are important.

NicoJuicy 6y ago

Where does the EU say that? This is a false accusation accordign to me ( Belgium)

ridewinter 6y ago
I believe Sweden is the only EU country asking to actually do something about Hong Kong. https://www.politico.eu/article/josep-borrell-chinas-move-in-hong-kong-doesnt-endanger-investment-deals-eu-trade-business-national-security/ https://www.politico.eu/article/josep-borrell-chinas-move-in...
- ridewinter 6y ago
  Could someone explain the downvoting please?
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rumanator 6y ago

> Do you also agree with the EU letting China slide over Hong Kong? Given how the EU allowed Russia to steamroll the Ukraine, why would the Chinese regime's attacks on Hong Kong would deserve more attention.

mcfly1985 6y ago
Ah, the time old argument of “two wrongs make a right!” China is systemically stealing IP from European companies, research from European universities, and forcing labor into a race to the bottom. Europeans would be wise to stand with Trump on this.
- rumanator 6y ago
  >>Europeans would be wise to stand with Trump There is nothing wise about "standing with Trump" on any issue. His impact on allies is a kin of a moped doing figure 8s on a pigsty. And no country stands with Trump on anything. At most they stand with the current US administration, which happens to be presided by Trump. Trump the citizen is repellent and has no redeeming qualities. And by the way, Europe has its best interests in mind, and the current US administration already made it quite clear that the US under the Trump administration is a highly unreliable ally, and even a potential liability that's compromised by Europe's current biggest threat.
  - mcfly1985 6y ago
    > There is nothing wise about "standing with Trump" on any issue. The hackernews way of saying “Orange Man Bad.” > the current US administration already made it quite clear that the US under the Trump administration is a highly unreliable ally Dumbest thing I’ve read in a while.
    - amaccuish 6y ago
      >Dumbest thing I’ve read in a while. Why is it dumb? Could you expand? Because the person you've replied to has given a good argument and explained their way of thinking? What have you done?
      - mcfly1985 6y ago
        > Because the person you've replied to has given a good argument and explained their way of thinking? What?! His comment is 100% opinion, with no supporting evidence. I guess that’s all hackernews needs, so long as it fits the Orange Man Bad narrative.
    - rumanator 6y ago
      > Dumbest thing I’ve read in a while. Then you certainly didn't headed Trump's threats to pull the US out of NATO. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/02/nato-donald-trump-second-term https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/02/nato-donald-tr... That's your high bar on Trump's reliability with regard to EU's vital interests. I don't need to explain the sheer idiocy of complaining about the EU's... skeptical attitude towards the Trump administration in general, and Trump specifically.
pinkfoot 6y ago
And Israel is about to make it a triple-play in the West Bank.

fxtentacle 6y ago

Do you agree with the EU letting US police brutality against protesters slide? Money more important than millions of black lives? My point here is that most of these issues look easy from the outside, but it's still difficult to do the right thing once you are involved.

ridewinter 6y ago
I don't, in fact. Principles are important.