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To the majority of citizens in Europe, the US under Trump is very different from the US that was considered a valued partner in the past. Plus it might be insa
by fxtentacle 6y ago
To the majority of citizens in Europe, the US under Trump is very different from the US that was considered a valued partner in the past.
Plus it might be insanely profitable to stand with China when it comes to chip and gadget production.
So a decision to deny US interests would both have a huge upside and be popular with the majority of voters.
- ridewinter 6y agoDo you also agree with the EU letting China slide over Hong Kong? Money more important than millions of people's freedom?
- NicoJuicy 6y agoWhere does the EU say that? This is a false accusation accordign to me ( Belgium)
- ridewinter 6y agoI believe Sweden is the only EU country asking to actually do something about Hong Kong. https://www.politico.eu/article/josep-borrell-chinas-move-in-hong-kong-doesnt-endanger-investment-deals-eu-trade-business-national-security/ https://www.politico.eu/article/josep-borrell-chinas-move-in...
- ridewinter 6y agoCould someone explain the downvoting please?
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- rumanator 6y ago> Do you also agree with the EU letting China slide over Hong Kong? Given how the EU allowed Russia to steamroll the Ukraine, why would the Chinese regime's attacks on Hong Kong would deserve more attention.
- mcfly1985 6y agoAh, the time old argument of “two wrongs make a right!” China is systemically stealing IP from European companies, research from European universities, and forcing labor into a race to the bottom. Europeans would be wise to stand with Trump on this.
- rumanator 6y ago>>Europeans would be wise to stand with Trump There is nothing wise about "standing with Trump" on any issue. His impact on allies is a kin of a moped doing figure 8s on a pigsty. And no country stands with Trump on anything. At most they stand with the current US administration, which happens to be presided by Trump. Trump the citizen is repellent and has no redeeming qualities. And by the way, Europe has its best interests in mind, and the current US administration already made it quite clear that the US under the Trump administration is a highly unreliable ally, and even a potential liability that's compromised by Europe's current biggest threat.
- mcfly1985 6y ago> There is nothing wise about "standing with Trump" on any issue. The hackernews way of saying “Orange Man Bad.” > the current US administration already made it quite clear that the US under the Trump administration is a highly unreliable ally Dumbest thing I’ve read in a while.
- amaccuish 6y ago>Dumbest thing I’ve read in a while. Why is it dumb? Could you expand? Because the person you've replied to has given a good argument and explained their way of thinking? What have you done?
- fxtentacle 6y agoDo you agree with the EU letting US police brutality against protesters slide? Money more important than millions of black lives? My point here is that most of these issues look easy from the outside, but it's still difficult to do the right thing once you are involved.
- ridewinter 6y agoI don't, in fact. Principles are important.
- yesplorer 6y agoGovernance and diplomacy is not a short term venture. Trump will not be president forever and you cannot undo the act of siding against the US in favor of China. There are a lot of decision-making processes in governance that involves a lot more than 'we don't like the current president'.
- pmachinery 6y agoThe US has no problem siding with China when it believes that's what's best for the US. What the US seems to expect is other countries to side with the US over their own interests.
- avmich 6y agoInterests can be short-term. US having no problem siding with China still takes into account the long-term interests. Generally Western world members do the same, even if that goes against the short-term interests.