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I am not sure Europe's best interest is to help China replace USA as the world's bully. Compared to future China, even USSR might be remembered with fond memori

I am not sure Europe's best interest is to help China replace USA as the world's bully. Compared to future China, even USSR might be remembered with fond memories of that bully who harassed everyone for a time, but is in his hart just a depressed and neglected boy who needed a compassionate touch.

mytailorisrich 6y ago
Europe should stand on its own and do what is in its best interests, not the US's, not China's. I don't think that the US's aggressive stance is in Europe's interests to follow. Standing your ground, sure, but this confrontation seems counterproductive in the long term and, again, is simply trying to delay the inevitable, IMO.
- dragandj 6y ago
  Doesn't Europe already do what is in its best interest? Is Europe's best interest to be world's most powerful bully (which it is not at least since WW2), or to provide good life conditions for its population (which it arguably does), or even something else?
  - quonn 6y ago
    It will have to be powerful. Otherwise others will impose their wishes (as Russia is doing with countries, as the US doing with companies and as China is trying to do with public opinion or statements of facts in European media as well as statements by parliaments).
- flyinglizard 6y ago
  The relationship between US and EU is very one sided and it’s not the Americans who are the benefactors. EU gets unlimited access to the worlds best consumer market, secure trade everywhere, military bases on their territory, deterrence against the Soviets - they’re so dependent on the US they don’t keep more than token militaries. Why do you think the EU wants to throw all of this good away?
  - landryraccoon 6y ago
    The Soviets? Are we worried about the Ottomans and the Tartars too?
    - flyinglizard 6y ago
      I was recounting the balance sheet over the past 75 years.
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- ericd 6y ago
  I'm under the impression that the US heavily subsidizes European security. Obviously, the US gets a number of advantages from this as well. It seems like Europe will have to build up its military if it wants to be able to stand alone. Not that I think a multi-polar world is good for stability. I think US leaders used to keep that in mind a bit more before trying to leverage their position.

mytailorisrich 6y ago

Europe should stand on its own and do what is in its best interests, not the US's, not China's. I don't think that the US's aggressive stance is in Europe's interests to follow. Standing your ground, sure, but this confrontation seems counterproductive in the long term and, again, is simply trying to delay the inevitable, IMO.

dragandj 6y ago
Doesn't Europe already do what is in its best interest? Is Europe's best interest to be world's most powerful bully (which it is not at least since WW2), or to provide good life conditions for its population (which it arguably does), or even something else?
- quonn 6y ago
  It will have to be powerful. Otherwise others will impose their wishes (as Russia is doing with countries, as the US doing with companies and as China is trying to do with public opinion or statements of facts in European media as well as statements by parliaments).
flyinglizard 6y ago
The relationship between US and EU is very one sided and it’s not the Americans who are the benefactors. EU gets unlimited access to the worlds best consumer market, secure trade everywhere, military bases on their territory, deterrence against the Soviets - they’re so dependent on the US they don’t keep more than token militaries. Why do you think the EU wants to throw all of this good away?
- landryraccoon 6y ago
  The Soviets? Are we worried about the Ottomans and the Tartars too?
  - flyinglizard 6y ago
    I was recounting the balance sheet over the past 75 years.
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ericd 6y ago
I'm under the impression that the US heavily subsidizes European security. Obviously, the US gets a number of advantages from this as well. It seems like Europe will have to build up its military if it wants to be able to stand alone. Not that I think a multi-polar world is good for stability. I think US leaders used to keep that in mind a bit more before trying to leverage their position.