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It doesn't need to be digital feedback. Imagine you could physically see the water from a shower filling into a column of water. Let's say 70 liters might reach
by a-p-o 6y ago
It doesn't need to be digital feedback. Imagine you could physically see the water from a shower filling into a column of water. Let's say 70 liters might reach 6 ft. If someone could see this and wanted to use less water, then they just need to keep their showers short enough that the water fills to the 60 liter mark, then the 40 liter mark, until they're happy with their efforts. No crypto currency. No telemetry.
- red_admiral 6y agoThat I could get behind. The parent post though said "positively reward them (via tone—and other UI hints—of the message, e.g., “you reduced your shower carbon by X this month! Great work!”)" and that crosses my personal line for creepiness.
- aspenmayer 6y agoWhat you are referring to has significant overlaps to my concept of “libertarian paternalism,” more familiar to me as so-called “benevolent paternalism,” and was popularized by the book Nudge: Improving Decisions about Health, Wealth, and Happiness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_paternalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_paternalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudge_(book) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudge_(book)
- andrei_says_ 6y agoThank you for mentioning Kohn’s work. It boggles my mind how super smart people just don’t get that human beings cannot be incentivized the same way rats and birds can. Reward/punishments (same thing) kill intrinsic motivation. It has been proven countless times. Providing feedback as in making something visible is another story altogether and can be empowering. Speaking to people like an adult trying to manipulate 3-year olds is condescending, inappropriate and repulsive.
- crocodiletears 6y agoNot going to lie, I'd feel compelled to either completely fill, or completely empty that column.