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Sure let's gamify everything. "Congratulations you've responded to your emails 6% faster this week! To celebrate this a $5 gift card had been added to your amaz

Sure let's gamify everything. "Congratulations you've responded to your emails 6% faster this week! To celebrate this a $5 gift card had been added to your amazon account!" I think this is not a tech problem, to change the behavior people need to care about the environment.

op00to 6y ago
To change behavior you need to make people want to change, give them the ability to change, and create an environment conducive to change. Without all those pieces all bets are off.
throwaway894345 6y ago
Feedback loops are a psychological solution. Implement them without tech if you like, but good luck making that efficient. Anyway, if you have a magic wand to make enough people care enough about the environment immediately, please do wave it. :) Absent that, I can’t imagine feedback loops are harmful with respect to our collective political will; on the contrary, I would expect daily positive feedback to change attitudes over somewhat small timescales, especially as more and more people participate and it is more normalized. But this is pure speculation and optimizing showering is not where we should spend our limited political will anyway.
mattigames 6y ago
A lot of people ignore the problem because they don't see a direct correlation between what they do and the damage they are doing, it's conveniently abstracted away from their sight, I don't think gamification per se would help much but in general exposure to ones consequences would.
masklinn 6y ago
> I think this is not a tech problem, to change the behavior people need to care about the environment. I fail to see how they're incompatible. GP's suggestion is a way to put the impact of people's habits in front of them rather than have that information be mixed with a hundred other signals and only available from indicators somewhere in the basement. In the same way you might use a kill-a-watt or 3 to see how much your various devices and appliances are consuming in what mode. And having goals is a pretty well-known way to motivate people, hence the "gamification".

op00to 6y ago

To change behavior you need to make people want to change, give them the ability to change, and create an environment conducive to change. Without all those pieces all bets are off.

throwaway894345 6y ago

Feedback loops are a psychological solution. Implement them without tech if you like, but good luck making that efficient. Anyway, if you have a magic wand to make enough people care enough about the environment immediately, please do wave it. :) Absent that, I can’t imagine feedback loops are harmful with respect to our collective political will; on the contrary, I would expect daily positive feedback to change attitudes over somewhat small timescales, especially as more and more people participate and it is more normalized. But this is pure speculation and optimizing showering is not where we should spend our limited political will anyway.

mattigames 6y ago

A lot of people ignore the problem because they don't see a direct correlation between what they do and the damage they are doing, it's conveniently abstracted away from their sight, I don't think gamification per se would help much but in general exposure to ones consequences would.

masklinn 6y ago

> I think this is not a tech problem, to change the behavior people need to care about the environment. I fail to see how they're incompatible. GP's suggestion is a way to put the impact of people's habits in front of them rather than have that information be mixed with a hundred other signals and only available from indicators somewhere in the basement. In the same way you might use a kill-a-watt or 3 to see how much your various devices and appliances are consuming in what mode. And having goals is a pretty well-known way to motivate people, hence the "gamification".