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Doesn't seem like a particularly bad idea to me - I'd much rather they were making money from paying corporate customers, rather than making money selling users

by 3guk 6y ago

Doesn't seem like a particularly bad idea to me - I'd much rather they were making money from paying corporate customers, rather than making money selling users data.... I highly suspect the vast majority of home users, who are using Zoom to host weekly quiz nights with friends, particularly care about strong encryption....

__s 6y ago
Tim Cook had it right with "Security isn't a feature" I'll liken it to healthcare despite the US not figuring this out yet. Healthcare for all helps everyone, which consequently is a value creating proposition. The fallout from a lack of healthcare negatively impacts the rich in the longterm When security is widespread, everyone benefits. A culture which make security default off is one that throws everyone under the bus for nickles & dimes. You don't vaccinate only 10% of the population
- qzw 6y ago
  While I agree with your overall point, it’s worth pointing out that Apple doesn’t really do a lot of freemium stuff, so Cook’s comment should be taken in the context of having nearly all customers who have already paid up.
  - lonelappde 6y ago
    Free users should get time-budgets or group size limits or video resolution limits, not be spied on.
    - dijksterhuis 6y ago
      This is exactly what free users get when using zoom. Up to 3 people in a meeting is unlimited. Over 3 is limited to 40ish minutes. The Facebook pixel SDK etc etc stuff you're probably thinking of got removed from recently updated clients. Check out their privacy policy to have a look at the actual data they retain from actual meetings. it's fairly limited and only to do with account management / meeting management from what I recall.
- lukeschlather 6y ago
  Security is a spectrum. The only way to ensure security in communications is not to communicate. Also every improvement in security comes at a cost and even when it's "obvious" the security feature is worthwhile people's experience of the feature may be different. Spoofing and eavesdropping can be fatal but in a lot of ways "I can't communicate with this person" is the biggest threat and all security features occasionally or frequently impair people's ability to communicate.
- damnyou 6y ago
  It's not like Apple prices its products to be in reach of the vast majority of the world population. Apple's business model precludes it from being generally "widespread".

by 3guk 6y ago

__s 6y ago

Tim Cook had it right with "Security isn't a feature" I'll liken it to healthcare despite the US not figuring this out yet. Healthcare for all helps everyone, which consequently is a value creating proposition. The fallout from a lack of healthcare negatively impacts the rich in the longterm When security is widespread, everyone benefits. A culture which make security default off is one that throws everyone under the bus for nickles & dimes. You don't vaccinate only 10% of the population

qzw 6y ago
While I agree with your overall point, it’s worth pointing out that Apple doesn’t really do a lot of freemium stuff, so Cook’s comment should be taken in the context of having nearly all customers who have already paid up.
- lonelappde 6y ago
  Free users should get time-budgets or group size limits or video resolution limits, not be spied on.
  - dijksterhuis 6y ago
    This is exactly what free users get when using zoom. Up to 3 people in a meeting is unlimited. Over 3 is limited to 40ish minutes. The Facebook pixel SDK etc etc stuff you're probably thinking of got removed from recently updated clients. Check out their privacy policy to have a look at the actual data they retain from actual meetings. it's fairly limited and only to do with account management / meeting management from what I recall.
lukeschlather 6y ago
Security is a spectrum. The only way to ensure security in communications is not to communicate. Also every improvement in security comes at a cost and even when it's "obvious" the security feature is worthwhile people's experience of the feature may be different. Spoofing and eavesdropping can be fatal but in a lot of ways "I can't communicate with this person" is the biggest threat and all security features occasionally or frequently impair people's ability to communicate.
damnyou 6y ago
It's not like Apple prices its products to be in reach of the vast majority of the world population. Apple's business model precludes it from being generally "widespread".