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As an outsider the George Floyd seems like every other police murder that the US has, I swear it happens every other year with similar outrage... BAU

MattGaiser 6y ago
Yeah, I expect this to last a week or three and then it will happen again in another year or two.
- manquer 6y ago
  normally perhaps, It is perfect storm of other factors. - 40+ Million people are unemployed - the mental strain of being up indoors - covid affecting the poorest potion of the population disproportionately - finally Trump being president and handling the situation in the worst possible way everyday.
  - drannex 6y ago
    Not sure why you are getting down voted here. These are all very valid points, this situation has a lot of variables that make it remarkably different than any other and can encourage the resistance (protests, &c) to continue far longer than standard.
    - wafn 6y ago
      They're being down voted for the last point about Trump. He has nothing to do with this and is only doing a shitty job at [insert issue here] when you swallow the load of his opponents instead of apply critical thought.
      - manquer 6y ago
        I will bite, even if he actually means better than he tweets, his tweets has only added fuel to the fire. When you are in the public sphere you do not spew out every thought that comes out unfiltered - whether it is trump or musk it damages what they stand for and works against them. I would expect a president, 3 years in, to be able to communicate to all his constituents with a measure of forethought and attempt to keep in mind that not all of them apply "critical thought".
    - xwdv 6y ago
      He is being downvoted for using a code block and making it difficult for those of us on mobile to read.
      - manquer 6y ago
        Sorry about that, did not mean to use a code block. just wanted to make a list. HN formatting is little confusing. Personally I prefer explicit markup attributes. i.e. if I want to mark something as code an markup like ``` or {code} or whatever is clearer than inferring tabs for code formatting, this kind of accidental code blocks could be easily avoided. On a side note I read on mobile all the time, I understand the frustration, but it not poster's fault HN has some poor formatting choices which are not mobile friendly and no preview options, you should direct their feedback towards HN rather than the poster, most of them do not do this intentionally.
        xwdv 6y ago
        HN has already said they will do nothing about it, it’s been this way for years. Therefore the only person people can direct their rage to is the poster. If you want to make a list, there’s nothing wrong with using new lines, they will work just fine. A code block however stimulates rage.
      - ta17711771 6y ago
        If you're on mobile, you need Materialistic.
  - ziftface 6y ago
    Protests like this one happened before covid for similar reasons. While those might be factors, I don't think they're very important ones. I think the fact that there have been several such murders in the past few months is the main reason this is happening.
- mrtksn 6y ago
  So you see no chance of fixing the police brutality? Why so? edit: Wow, those replies. I see now, you guys and gals are going to have this thing for foreseeable feature because you have no interest in fixing it. It's disgusting, tech community apparently hosts some people of high income and no conscience combined with some low analytical skills soaked in a narrative of a pseudo-science.
  - donw 6y ago
    Candidly, because Team Red and Team Blue are too busy screaming at each other and throwing plates across the room to care about actually fixing problems.
  - wafn 6y ago
    The police brutality is relatively insignificant (though not acceptable). Every single time it comes up in these cases, the victim was either a stain on ordered society, or an honest mistake (see: Brenna Taylor) which are addressed fairly quickly. These riots are not due to "centuries of oppression" they are just bored and ignorant people lashing out because they have no focus in life other than victimhood and generations of indoctrination that they can't change things otherwise. No amount of justification exists for the behaviors exhibited by these rioters.
    - dang 6y ago
      We've banned this account for perpetuating flamewar on HN. "the victim was either a stain on ordered society" is particularly egregious trolling. You can't do that here, and adding a diversionary word like 'either' doesn't help. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - akvadrako 6y ago
    US cops work in a dangerous environment; it's actually rather rare to get killed by a cop - much more often suspects (i.e. those who get in altercations with the police) are killed by criminals. So you can't expect police to be gentle in that environment; mistakes / bad apples will happen. Besides that the framing is all wrong. It's not a racist issue - in any altercation the police are more likely to shoot white criminals than blacks. The problem is blacks have many more encounters with cops. And strong policing is most beneficial to black communities, where there is the most crime. So the only way to solve the issue is reducing crime, which won't happen quickly.
082349872349872 6y ago
Europeans tried to ban the slave trade as early as 1815: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5039693/f124.image.r https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5039693/f124.image.r (Congress of Vienna, Act XV) and the US did eventually get over slavery, so we should be optimistic and believe it may just take them some while longer to get over lynching.
- yellowapple 6y ago
  > and the US did eventually get over slavery Yeah, after the single bloodiest war in American history.
- deathgrips 6y ago
  >US did eventually get over slavery "Get over" is a funny way to describe a war that was bloodier for the United States than WWII was for any Allied power. Please don't lump everyone in with the southern states.
  - Someone 6y ago
    US civil war: about 750.000 in a population of over 30 million (https://www.history.com/news/civil-war-deadlier-than-previously-thought https://www.history.com/news/civil-war-deadlier-than-previou...), or 2½%. World War Two, USSR: at least 20 million in a population of 205 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the...), or close to 10%. World War Two, Poland: about 6 million deaths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_Pol...) in a population of about 35 million (http://countrystudies.us/poland/27.htm http://countrystudies.us/poland/27.htm) or over 17%. The US civil war was bloody for the USA, but not bloodier than WWII for any Allied power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_... has many more countries with a death rate over 2½%.
    - deathgrips 6y ago
      You are including civilian casualties for other countries but not for the US? That's what I call a pro gamer move...
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fiblye 6y ago
There are loads in between the protests. Eventually the murders pile up and the evidence against the police’s actions is so strong that people collectively snap. If it were merely every other murder, there’d never be a day of peace.
curiousgal 6y ago
The Tunisian Revolution (the first and only successful one in the Arab Spring) started when a fruit seller self-immolated.
- PopeDotNinja 6y ago
  That blows my mind. I have no idea how the USA would react to something like that.
  - pengaru 6y ago
    > I have no idea how the USA would react to something like that. We know how USA has reacted in the past; it carries on as if nothing happened. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/us/politics/immolation-white-house.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/us/politics/immolation-wh... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/15/david-buckel-lawyer-climate-change-protest https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/15/david-bu... I assume there are more examples, that's just first page picks from a cursory google search.
    - dzmien 6y ago
      Malachi Ritscher's suicide by self immolation in protest of the Iraq war made a strong impression on me at the time. That was near the end of 2006. It seemed to go unnoticed by most everyone else, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachi_Ritscher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachi_Ritscher
- Raed667 6y ago
  The Tunisian revolution worked because the system was overloaded with protests in almost every single region of the country. Contrary to previous localized protests in 2008, that were more contained and effectively suppressed by the regime. But it is also worth to remember that unarmed protestors rarely "just" overrun the barricades and enter the palace (figuratively). Someone with power (police or military) has to decide that they're OK with letting the protests go through, that is the signal of the end. -- Obviously my opinion, but I was in Tunis, Tunisia during those times.

MattGaiser 6y ago

Yeah, I expect this to last a week or three and then it will happen again in another year or two.

manquer 6y ago
normally perhaps, It is perfect storm of other factors. - 40+ Million people are unemployed - the mental strain of being up indoors - covid affecting the poorest potion of the population disproportionately - finally Trump being president and handling the situation in the worst possible way everyday.
- drannex 6y ago
  Not sure why you are getting down voted here. These are all very valid points, this situation has a lot of variables that make it remarkably different than any other and can encourage the resistance (protests, &c) to continue far longer than standard.
  - wafn 6y ago
    They're being down voted for the last point about Trump. He has nothing to do with this and is only doing a shitty job at [insert issue here] when you swallow the load of his opponents instead of apply critical thought.
    - manquer 6y ago
      I will bite, even if he actually means better than he tweets, his tweets has only added fuel to the fire. When you are in the public sphere you do not spew out every thought that comes out unfiltered - whether it is trump or musk it damages what they stand for and works against them. I would expect a president, 3 years in, to be able to communicate to all his constituents with a measure of forethought and attempt to keep in mind that not all of them apply "critical thought".
  - xwdv 6y ago
    He is being downvoted for using a code block and making it difficult for those of us on mobile to read.
    - manquer 6y ago
      Sorry about that, did not mean to use a code block. just wanted to make a list. HN formatting is little confusing. Personally I prefer explicit markup attributes. i.e. if I want to mark something as code an markup like ``` or {code} or whatever is clearer than inferring tabs for code formatting, this kind of accidental code blocks could be easily avoided. On a side note I read on mobile all the time, I understand the frustration, but it not poster's fault HN has some poor formatting choices which are not mobile friendly and no preview options, you should direct their feedback towards HN rather than the poster, most of them do not do this intentionally.
      - xwdv 6y ago
        HN has already said they will do nothing about it, it’s been this way for years. Therefore the only person people can direct their rage to is the poster. If you want to make a list, there’s nothing wrong with using new lines, they will work just fine. A code block however stimulates rage.
    - ta17711771 6y ago
      If you're on mobile, you need Materialistic.
- ziftface 6y ago
  Protests like this one happened before covid for similar reasons. While those might be factors, I don't think they're very important ones. I think the fact that there have been several such murders in the past few months is the main reason this is happening.
mrtksn 6y ago
So you see no chance of fixing the police brutality? Why so? edit: Wow, those replies. I see now, you guys and gals are going to have this thing for foreseeable feature because you have no interest in fixing it. It's disgusting, tech community apparently hosts some people of high income and no conscience combined with some low analytical skills soaked in a narrative of a pseudo-science.
- donw 6y ago
  Candidly, because Team Red and Team Blue are too busy screaming at each other and throwing plates across the room to care about actually fixing problems.
- wafn 6y ago
  The police brutality is relatively insignificant (though not acceptable). Every single time it comes up in these cases, the victim was either a stain on ordered society, or an honest mistake (see: Brenna Taylor) which are addressed fairly quickly. These riots are not due to "centuries of oppression" they are just bored and ignorant people lashing out because they have no focus in life other than victimhood and generations of indoctrination that they can't change things otherwise. No amount of justification exists for the behaviors exhibited by these rioters.
  - dang 6y ago
    We've banned this account for perpetuating flamewar on HN. "the victim was either a stain on ordered society" is particularly egregious trolling. You can't do that here, and adding a diversionary word like 'either' doesn't help. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- akvadrako 6y ago
  US cops work in a dangerous environment; it's actually rather rare to get killed by a cop - much more often suspects (i.e. those who get in altercations with the police) are killed by criminals. So you can't expect police to be gentle in that environment; mistakes / bad apples will happen. Besides that the framing is all wrong. It's not a racist issue - in any altercation the police are more likely to shoot white criminals than blacks. The problem is blacks have many more encounters with cops. And strong policing is most beneficial to black communities, where there is the most crime. So the only way to solve the issue is reducing crime, which won't happen quickly.

082349872349872 6y ago

Europeans tried to ban the slave trade as early as 1815: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5039693/f124.image.r https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5039693/f124.image.r (Congress of Vienna, Act XV) and the US did eventually get over slavery, so we should be optimistic and believe it may just take them some while longer to get over lynching.

yellowapple 6y ago
> and the US did eventually get over slavery Yeah, after the single bloodiest war in American history.
deathgrips 6y ago
>US did eventually get over slavery "Get over" is a funny way to describe a war that was bloodier for the United States than WWII was for any Allied power. Please don't lump everyone in with the southern states.
- Someone 6y ago
  US civil war: about 750.000 in a population of over 30 million (https://www.history.com/news/civil-war-deadlier-than-previously-thought https://www.history.com/news/civil-war-deadlier-than-previou...), or 2½%. World War Two, USSR: at least 20 million in a population of 205 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the...), or close to 10%. World War Two, Poland: about 6 million deaths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_Pol...) in a population of about 35 million (http://countrystudies.us/poland/27.htm http://countrystudies.us/poland/27.htm) or over 17%. The US civil war was bloody for the USA, but not bloodier than WWII for any Allied power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_... has many more countries with a death rate over 2½%.
  - deathgrips 6y ago
    You are including civilian casualties for other countries but not for the US? That's what I call a pro gamer move...

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fiblye 6y ago

There are loads in between the protests. Eventually the murders pile up and the evidence against the police’s actions is so strong that people collectively snap. If it were merely every other murder, there’d never be a day of peace.

curiousgal 6y ago

The Tunisian Revolution (the first and only successful one in the Arab Spring) started when a fruit seller self-immolated.

PopeDotNinja 6y ago
That blows my mind. I have no idea how the USA would react to something like that.
- pengaru 6y ago
  > I have no idea how the USA would react to something like that. We know how USA has reacted in the past; it carries on as if nothing happened. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/us/politics/immolation-white-house.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/us/politics/immolation-wh... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/15/david-buckel-lawyer-climate-change-protest https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/15/david-bu... I assume there are more examples, that's just first page picks from a cursory google search.
  - dzmien 6y ago
    Malachi Ritscher's suicide by self immolation in protest of the Iraq war made a strong impression on me at the time. That was near the end of 2006. It seemed to go unnoticed by most everyone else, though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachi_Ritscher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachi_Ritscher
Raed667 6y ago
The Tunisian revolution worked because the system was overloaded with protests in almost every single region of the country. Contrary to previous localized protests in 2008, that were more contained and effectively suppressed by the regime. But it is also worth to remember that unarmed protestors rarely "just" overrun the barricades and enter the palace (figuratively). Someone with power (police or military) has to decide that they're OK with letting the protests go through, that is the signal of the end. -- Obviously my opinion, but I was in Tunis, Tunisia during those times.