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... are you really comparing the righteous outrage someone would have over saying Americans are slave owners to ... saying people like to take afternoon naps?

pvaldes 6y ago
Is just an example. But could be an accurate comparison, yes Repeatedly calling all the people in a country as lazy and unproductive is not an innocent move. Is parroting the racist slogans what other people said since decades whereas choosing to be blind to the easily verifiable facts. Therefore can be traced easily to drink from the same racist fountains, even if is of a soft, non-conscious type. Dehumanization is a necessary previous step for racism. From there is easily escalated to "they don't deserve it" and "they must be punished for it" and to "he tried to resist and I don't care if this hispanic scum can breathe (because in my mind is just a parasite)". Can you see the pattern? Lots of people in Spain are as white as the whitest people that you can find in USA. I guarantee that you couldn't guess in photos by their look, who will be classified as "hispanic" and who will be classified as "white/caucasian" in the frontier.
- t-writescode 6y ago
  > Repeatedly calling all the people in country as lazy and unproductive is not an innocent move I would consider a nap in the middle of the day far from laziness, but an enabler of great productivity. I'm (edit: covetous) of siestas.
- projektfu 6y ago
  Oh, I see. So people are interpreting my mentioning the fact that siestas are a historically cultural aspect of Spain (Biphasic sleep being totally normal and healthy) as implied racism or cultural elitism. That’s fine, but don’t act unprejudiced yourself if that’s how you do. Anyone who questions whether it’s still topical in Spain need only read the news where people fret about losing the siesta or complain that their work doesn’t allow it, or enshrine it into law, or proudly announce that the ‘stereotype’ is gone and Spaniards are now like the rest of Europe.
  - pvaldes 6y ago
    > need only read the news where people fret about losing the siesta Fake news. I never had seen that in my life. > or complain that their work doesn’t allow it, Again, fake news. My advice would be to stop reading tabloids. > or enshrine it into law, Maybe I am living in a parallel reality. Can you point here to a single current spanish law specifically about "the right to take a nap" in Spain? > or proudly announce that the ‘stereotype’ is gone and spaniards are now like the rest of Europe Nobody is doing this. This cliché was gone 100 years ago. Talking about how spaniards "love their siestas" is exactly the same as making jokes about blacks, fried chicken and watermelons. Is stupid, tags you as ignorant, is slightly racist, and frankly, after a while it becames pretty annoying. [1] And by the way, Spaniards aren't, never will be, and don't want to be, like "the rest of Europe". We speak the second language in the world with more native speakers after Chinese, and we have historical, cultural and blood links with three continents: North and South America, Africa, the old Europe, and the Mediterranean World that the rest of Europe don't have (Italy or Portugal are the closest in this sense), and sometimes it seems that it can't understand or respect.
    - projektfu 6y ago
      Well, there was this one I heard about a while ago: https://elpais.com/ccaa/2015/07/21/valencia/1437504076_403275.html https://elpais.com/ccaa/2015/07/21/valencia/1437504076_40327... more of a recommendation or advisory than a guarantee. Obviously this struck a nerve, and I'm sorry about that. I always considered the siesta a positive aspect of the culture. Whether you would use it to nap, to spend time with family, or to exercise, I think it would show a good sense of balance with the demands of workplace culture. Then again, I'm pretty stoked about fried chicken and watermelon, and yet I know how much stereotypes can be used as a synecdoche to dehumanize people. So, please accept my apology.

pvaldes 6y ago

Is just an example. But could be an accurate comparison, yes Repeatedly calling all the people in a country as lazy and unproductive is not an innocent move. Is parroting the racist slogans what other people said since decades whereas choosing to be blind to the easily verifiable facts. Therefore can be traced easily to drink from the same racist fountains, even if is of a soft, non-conscious type. Dehumanization is a necessary previous step for racism. From there is easily escalated to "they don't deserve it" and "they must be punished for it" and to "he tried to resist and I don't care if this hispanic scum can breathe (because in my mind is just a parasite)". Can you see the pattern? Lots of people in Spain are as white as the whitest people that you can find in USA. I guarantee that you couldn't guess in photos by their look, who will be classified as "hispanic" and who will be classified as "white/caucasian" in the frontier.

t-writescode 6y ago
> Repeatedly calling all the people in country as lazy and unproductive is not an innocent move I would consider a nap in the middle of the day far from laziness, but an enabler of great productivity. I'm (edit: covetous) of siestas.
projektfu 6y ago
Oh, I see. So people are interpreting my mentioning the fact that siestas are a historically cultural aspect of Spain (Biphasic sleep being totally normal and healthy) as implied racism or cultural elitism. That’s fine, but don’t act unprejudiced yourself if that’s how you do. Anyone who questions whether it’s still topical in Spain need only read the news where people fret about losing the siesta or complain that their work doesn’t allow it, or enshrine it into law, or proudly announce that the ‘stereotype’ is gone and Spaniards are now like the rest of Europe.
- pvaldes 6y ago
  > need only read the news where people fret about losing the siesta Fake news. I never had seen that in my life. > or complain that their work doesn’t allow it, Again, fake news. My advice would be to stop reading tabloids. > or enshrine it into law, Maybe I am living in a parallel reality. Can you point here to a single current spanish law specifically about "the right to take a nap" in Spain? > or proudly announce that the ‘stereotype’ is gone and spaniards are now like the rest of Europe Nobody is doing this. This cliché was gone 100 years ago. Talking about how spaniards "love their siestas" is exactly the same as making jokes about blacks, fried chicken and watermelons. Is stupid, tags you as ignorant, is slightly racist, and frankly, after a while it becames pretty annoying. [1] And by the way, Spaniards aren't, never will be, and don't want to be, like "the rest of Europe". We speak the second language in the world with more native speakers after Chinese, and we have historical, cultural and blood links with three continents: North and South America, Africa, the old Europe, and the Mediterranean World that the rest of Europe don't have (Italy or Portugal are the closest in this sense), and sometimes it seems that it can't understand or respect.
  - projektfu 6y ago
    Well, there was this one I heard about a while ago: https://elpais.com/ccaa/2015/07/21/valencia/1437504076_403275.html https://elpais.com/ccaa/2015/07/21/valencia/1437504076_40327... more of a recommendation or advisory than a guarantee. Obviously this struck a nerve, and I'm sorry about that. I always considered the siesta a positive aspect of the culture. Whether you would use it to nap, to spend time with family, or to exercise, I think it would show a good sense of balance with the demands of workplace culture. Then again, I'm pretty stoked about fried chicken and watermelon, and yet I know how much stereotypes can be used as a synecdoche to dehumanize people. So, please accept my apology.