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Sweden’s coronavirus experiment has well and truly failed

20 points by headalgorithm 6y ago

seesawtron 6y ago
I think the right question to ask is: Is Sweden any worse than its neighbouring European countries by comparing to the exact time window when the neighbouring countries were at their exponentially rising stride? Comparing per capita death rate to its neighbours RIGHT NOW assumes that the virus progression curve was the same in each country at its start, which is flawed.
belorn 6y ago
The article jumps between national and regional without distinction and for someone living in Sweden, it makes it quite incoherent. The restrictions of limiting shopping centers, schools and playgrounds has all been national, while the majority of deaths has been in the care homes of the elderly, most located around Stockholm region. Areas outside of Stockholm looks very different and in some places where they set up dedicated covid-19 health centers they now have no patients. There are even whole regions with single digit deaths since the start of the pandemic. There is multiple theories for this, and none are around the lack of lock-down restrictions in shopping centers, schools and playgrounds. The primary focus is on the centralization and staffing problem in elderly care, where a person spend as little as a 10-15 minutes per elderly only to go to the next one without given time between to follow proper cleaning procedures and for a long time without access to safety equipment. For the Stockholm region we also have the only subway that exist in Sweden, which is heavily used by people working in health care and elderly care. Stockholm night culture has also been blamed a bit. When people started to die in the elderly care the reaction was sadly minor. People just seemed to expect the workers to do better. The public health agency have also admitted that this was their reaction as well, and had expected that people working in elderly care should had done better given the recommendation to follow cleaning procedures and using safety equipment. The people working in elderly care basically said: what did you all expect when we are not given time, people or equipment to do that.

20 points by headalgorithm 6y ago

I think the right question to ask is: Is Sweden any worse than its neighbouring European countries by comparing to the exact time window when the neighbouring countries were at their exponentially rising stride? Comparing per capita death rate to its neighbours RIGHT NOW assumes that the virus progression curve was the same in each country at its start, which is flawed.

belorn 6y ago

The article jumps between national and regional without distinction and for someone living in Sweden, it makes it quite incoherent. The restrictions of limiting shopping centers, schools and playgrounds has all been national, while the majority of deaths has been in the care homes of the elderly, most located around Stockholm region. Areas outside of Stockholm looks very different and in some places where they set up dedicated covid-19 health centers they now have no patients. There are even whole regions with single digit deaths since the start of the pandemic. There is multiple theories for this, and none are around the lack of lock-down restrictions in shopping centers, schools and playgrounds. The primary focus is on the centralization and staffing problem in elderly care, where a person spend as little as a 10-15 minutes per elderly only to go to the next one without given time between to follow proper cleaning procedures and for a long time without access to safety equipment. For the Stockholm region we also have the only subway that exist in Sweden, which is heavily used by people working in health care and elderly care. Stockholm night culture has also been blamed a bit. When people started to die in the elderly care the reaction was sadly minor. People just seemed to expect the workers to do better. The public health agency have also admitted that this was their reaction as well, and had expected that people working in elderly care should had done better given the recommendation to follow cleaning procedures and using safety equipment. The people working in elderly care basically said: what did you all expect when we are not given time, people or equipment to do that.