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In the US excluding New York, deaths have been basically flat for a month and a half. If we couldn't even stop the spread under quarantine, we're deluding ourse

In the US excluding New York, deaths have been basically flat for a month and a half. If we couldn't even stop the spread under quarantine, we're deluding ourselves if we think there's not going to be a huge spike over the next month or two. Most people are just not willing to take this seriously it seems, they flaunt the precautions, engage in all sorts of wishful thinking about 6-foot distances or cherry-picked stat declines, are unwilling to make personal or communal sacrifices. Its going to be a real shame when 1+ million americans die because we were unwilling to cut our own hair for a year.

ptero 6y ago
You make it sound like cutting your own hair is the main hardship, which I suspect is not quite honest. What about being forced to walk outside in a mask, deferring medical care, not being able to hug your own {parents, grandparents, kids, grand kids} see other relatives and friends, not visiting many places you want to visit. And a pretty huge economic hit. And seeing more and more folks on the streets on the previously friendly town getting angrier and snappier; etc. etc. I am not saying we should not "take coronavirus seriously" as you say. I do. But after taking it seriously I still see the current lockdowns in the US as counterproductive. Even if we could get this genie back into the bottle 3 months ago (which is not a given), you cannot now. Many states are open and people travel. Instead of forcing wide lockdowns we should focus on supporting those at high risk or worried and let others back to leading normal lives. My 2c, no offense intended.
- shreyansj 6y ago
  I am not aware of any restrictions on hugging your family. Either way, the virus is not going to worry about anyone's constitutional rights if they catch the virus from another family member.
  - toast0 6y ago
    > I am not aware of any restrictions on hugging your family. If your family lives in elder supportive housing, there has been plenty of no visitor policies. Regardless, if you don't live in the same house with your family, visiting them may not be following the policies.
- Spooky23 6y ago
  The point of lockdowns were to slow the spread and buy time to get more guided quarantine in place with contact tracing and to buy time for a vaccine to be made available. Without those things, we risk the NYC/Italy situation where the health systems locked up and you had mass death from COVID plus excess deaths due to the overwhelming hospital demand. The risk factors are pretty widely applicable. The strategy of old people, overweight men, etc getting “support” isn’t going to work.
- watwut 6y ago
  I just can't comprehend the whole "mask is great injustice and limitation that breaks it all down". It is almost emotional response to wearing it disproportional to actual minor inconvenience it is. I could list commonly worn clothes and shoes that are more uncomfortable then mask.

ptero 6y ago

You make it sound like cutting your own hair is the main hardship, which I suspect is not quite honest. What about being forced to walk outside in a mask, deferring medical care, not being able to hug your own {parents, grandparents, kids, grand kids} see other relatives and friends, not visiting many places you want to visit. And a pretty huge economic hit. And seeing more and more folks on the streets on the previously friendly town getting angrier and snappier; etc. etc. I am not saying we should not "take coronavirus seriously" as you say. I do. But after taking it seriously I still see the current lockdowns in the US as counterproductive. Even if we could get this genie back into the bottle 3 months ago (which is not a given), you cannot now. Many states are open and people travel. Instead of forcing wide lockdowns we should focus on supporting those at high risk or worried and let others back to leading normal lives. My 2c, no offense intended.

shreyansj 6y ago
I am not aware of any restrictions on hugging your family. Either way, the virus is not going to worry about anyone's constitutional rights if they catch the virus from another family member.
- toast0 6y ago
  > I am not aware of any restrictions on hugging your family. If your family lives in elder supportive housing, there has been plenty of no visitor policies. Regardless, if you don't live in the same house with your family, visiting them may not be following the policies.
Spooky23 6y ago
The point of lockdowns were to slow the spread and buy time to get more guided quarantine in place with contact tracing and to buy time for a vaccine to be made available. Without those things, we risk the NYC/Italy situation where the health systems locked up and you had mass death from COVID plus excess deaths due to the overwhelming hospital demand. The risk factors are pretty widely applicable. The strategy of old people, overweight men, etc getting “support” isn’t going to work.
watwut 6y ago
I just can't comprehend the whole "mask is great injustice and limitation that breaks it all down". It is almost emotional response to wearing it disproportional to actual minor inconvenience it is. I could list commonly worn clothes and shoes that are more uncomfortable then mask.