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I guess its all relative. In the late 80s I was impressed by a full Wordstar compatible text editor for Turbo Pascal which only occupied 25K (including the com

by gjkood 6y ago

I guess its all relative. In the late 80s I was impressed by a full Wordstar compatible text editor for Turbo Pascal which only occupied 25K (including the compiler). Times have indeed changed.

nightowl_games 6y ago
A lot of the godot size is the images it packs in itself. When I cloned the godot repo, I could understand the architecture just by the file names. I started falling in love with it as the easily understandable file names started streaming down from the cloud. It's truly a public good.
- gnulinux 6y ago
  > A lot of the godot size is the images it packs in itself. For comparison, emacs's installed size is 76K [1]. [1] https://packages.debian.org/sid/emacs https://packages.debian.org/sid/emacs
  - yepguy 6y ago
    That's the installed size of the metapackage containing no emacs executable, no elisp files, and no documentation. On my system the emacs executable is 39M and the entire installed package is 128M. (Additionally, my Doom Emacs folder takes up another 840M.)
    - gnulinux 6y ago
      Ah so sorry about that. I should have checked.
    - tetris11 6y ago
      > Additionally, my Doom Emacs folder takes up another 840M. HOW?
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
      - simlevesque 6y ago
        Hd texture packs ?
        lazysloth 6y ago
        doom emacs is just an emacs with a particular starting config.
      - yepguy 6y ago
        Well, it contains 265 git repositories of packages I'm using.
    - watersb 6y ago
      On my Windows machine, the emax64 distribution (many packages) shows up as 491MB. But on Windows, it seems that every app like this is essentially a Linux/mSys distro that just happens to run the application. Of course, apps in general are getting that way.
    - t0astbread 6y ago
      I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm making fun of your Emacs install (I don't mean to) but how does this happen? Like, what is that when does it load all of that and how much memory/time does it take? I'm genuinely curious.
      - yepguy 6y ago
        Nearly everything is loaded on demand. Start up time is less than 1 second.
xigency 6y ago
Well, we should be impressed with 25MB for a decent game editor since the other players like Unity and Unreal Engine are probably around 25GB. It's also a fraction of Slack or Chrome or even the Rust compiler I believe.
- snazz 6y ago
  The Chromium package on Arch Linux is around 68MB. The Electron runtime is a surprisingly reasonable size. Interestingly, the Go package is over 110MB. Rust is larger.
  - kick 6y ago
    The Chromium package on Arch Linux is actually just a bit under 200MB when installed. Are you looking at the download size?
    - snazz 6y ago
      Yep, you're right, I'm looking at the compressed archive for both. Go must be huge then if the compressed package is 100MB.
      - jovdg 6y ago
        I didn't check, but if the package consists mainly of binary, optimized executables, the compression may be very limited...
gnulinux 6y ago
1 order of magnitude in 40 years? Doesn't seem a lot, but if applies exponentially would mean we will have some IDE in 2060 that's 25GB and someone will find it impressive. That's a lot of bytes for an editor.
- kencausey 6y ago
  Defining an 'order of magnitude' as 1024 seems a little odd to me. I would consider this to be closer to 3 orders of magnitued.
  - eggy 6y ago
    1024 (2^10) is ~10^3 (I know switching bases!) vs say 10 (10^1), so two orders of magnitude larger in general. A gig 10^9 would be many orders of magnitude. An order of magnitude is generally a jump to the next power of 10. So 10 (10^1) is an order of magnitude larger than 1 (10^0) as 100 (10^2) is to 10 (10^1), and so on. People frequently misuse the term when speaking in technical terms. When the average person uses it to denote a big jump, I let it go - usually ;) If you stick with base 2 I guess you could say many orders of magnitude (2^32 = 4,294,967,296 vs 2^8 = 256, or 24 orders of magnitude?).
    - jovdg 6y ago
      But you could use Base-1024, in which case the term is used correctly. It's all relative ;)
      - eggy 6y ago
        Why? The common base is 10, and "orders of magnitude" is normally based on 10X between orders here. Ten fingers, decimal system, etc. Don't bring up metric vs. Imperial ;) I work at an engineering firm, and that's how most engineers understand it.
- kroltan 6y ago
  Visual Studio is probably way more than 25GB, and it's 2020 still.
greggman3 6y ago
Or an entire MacOS like experience in 128k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system)

by gjkood 6y ago

I guess its all relative. In the late 80s I was impressed by a full Wordstar compatible text editor for Turbo Pascal which only occupied 25K (including the compiler). Times have indeed changed.

nightowl_games 6y ago

A lot of the godot size is the images it packs in itself. When I cloned the godot repo, I could understand the architecture just by the file names. I started falling in love with it as the easily understandable file names started streaming down from the cloud. It's truly a public good.

gnulinux 6y ago
> A lot of the godot size is the images it packs in itself. For comparison, emacs's installed size is 76K [1]. [1] https://packages.debian.org/sid/emacs https://packages.debian.org/sid/emacs
- yepguy 6y ago
  That's the installed size of the metapackage containing no emacs executable, no elisp files, and no documentation. On my system the emacs executable is 39M and the entire installed package is 128M. (Additionally, my Doom Emacs folder takes up another 840M.)
  - gnulinux 6y ago
    Ah so sorry about that. I should have checked.
  - tetris11 6y ago
    > Additionally, my Doom Emacs folder takes up another 840M. HOW?
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - simlevesque 6y ago
      Hd texture packs ?
      - lazysloth 6y ago
        doom emacs is just an emacs with a particular starting config.
    - yepguy 6y ago
      Well, it contains 265 git repositories of packages I'm using.
  - watersb 6y ago
    On my Windows machine, the emax64 distribution (many packages) shows up as 491MB. But on Windows, it seems that every app like this is essentially a Linux/mSys distro that just happens to run the application. Of course, apps in general are getting that way.
  - t0astbread 6y ago
    I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm making fun of your Emacs install (I don't mean to) but how does this happen? Like, what is that when does it load all of that and how much memory/time does it take? I'm genuinely curious.
    - yepguy 6y ago
      Nearly everything is loaded on demand. Start up time is less than 1 second.

xigency 6y ago

Well, we should be impressed with 25MB for a decent game editor since the other players like Unity and Unreal Engine are probably around 25GB. It's also a fraction of Slack or Chrome or even the Rust compiler I believe.

snazz 6y ago
The Chromium package on Arch Linux is around 68MB. The Electron runtime is a surprisingly reasonable size. Interestingly, the Go package is over 110MB. Rust is larger.
- kick 6y ago
  The Chromium package on Arch Linux is actually just a bit under 200MB when installed. Are you looking at the download size?
  - snazz 6y ago
    Yep, you're right, I'm looking at the compressed archive for both. Go must be huge then if the compressed package is 100MB.
    - jovdg 6y ago
      I didn't check, but if the package consists mainly of binary, optimized executables, the compression may be very limited...

gnulinux 6y ago

1 order of magnitude in 40 years? Doesn't seem a lot, but if applies exponentially would mean we will have some IDE in 2060 that's 25GB and someone will find it impressive. That's a lot of bytes for an editor.

kencausey 6y ago
Defining an 'order of magnitude' as 1024 seems a little odd to me. I would consider this to be closer to 3 orders of magnitued.
- eggy 6y ago
  1024 (2^10) is ~10^3 (I know switching bases!) vs say 10 (10^1), so two orders of magnitude larger in general. A gig 10^9 would be many orders of magnitude. An order of magnitude is generally a jump to the next power of 10. So 10 (10^1) is an order of magnitude larger than 1 (10^0) as 100 (10^2) is to 10 (10^1), and so on. People frequently misuse the term when speaking in technical terms. When the average person uses it to denote a big jump, I let it go - usually ;) If you stick with base 2 I guess you could say many orders of magnitude (2^32 = 4,294,967,296 vs 2^8 = 256, or 24 orders of magnitude?).
  - jovdg 6y ago
    But you could use Base-1024, in which case the term is used correctly. It's all relative ;)
    - eggy 6y ago
      Why? The common base is 10, and "orders of magnitude" is normally based on 10X between orders here. Ten fingers, decimal system, etc. Don't bring up metric vs. Imperial ;) I work at an engineering firm, and that's how most engineers understand it.
kroltan 6y ago
Visual Studio is probably way more than 25GB, and it's 2020 still.

greggman3 6y ago

Or an entire MacOS like experience in 128k https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system)