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Just for the record, DDT didn't actually do any of that, and your histrionics about pesticides aren't supported by evidence either. The West murdered millions

by jki275 6y ago

Just for the record, DDT didn't actually do any of that, and your histrionics about pesticides aren't supported by evidence either. The West murdered millions of third world children when we banned DDT.

throwanem 6y ago
A series of extraordinary claims, for which you don't care to provide any support whatsoever. Okay. I did, with a little effort, find a single source [1] for your "DDT didn't harm birds" claim. Of course, he's [2] also a climate denier, a conspiracy theorist, and a lobbyist for companies whose financial interests are coincidentally in total alignment with his "scientific" advocacy. But hey, if that's the company you want to keep, don't let me dissuade you. [1] http://archive.is/UTyoT#selection-2159.0-2156.3 http://archive.is/UTyoT#selection-2159.0-2156.3 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy
- jki275 6y ago
  You didn't look very hard: https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-truth-about-ddt-and-silent-spring https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-truth-about-...
  - throwanem 6y ago
    Zubrin's fine, if excessively Golden Age of Science Fiction for my taste, when he talks about Mars. Earth, not so much. But, again, if you want to keep company with someone who's super excited about anthropogenic climate change, likens mosquitoes to Nazi V-2s, and alludes with crafty dissimulation to the conspiracy theory around environmentalism that forms the backbone of such sober documentaries as "Kingsman: The Secret Service" (2014), go for it.
    - jki275 6y ago
      You can attack the messenger all day, without addressing any of the actual science. Just because you dislike the facts doesn't change that they remain facts. Silent Spring was a work of fiction, but it killed millions of children in the developing world, and continues to do so to this day. Fortunately at least some have seen the light and relaxed the ban on DDT.

by jki275 6y ago

throwanem 6y ago

A series of extraordinary claims, for which you don't care to provide any support whatsoever. Okay. I did, with a little effort, find a single source [1] for your "DDT didn't harm birds" claim. Of course, he's [2] also a climate denier, a conspiracy theorist, and a lobbyist for companies whose financial interests are coincidentally in total alignment with his "scientific" advocacy. But hey, if that's the company you want to keep, don't let me dissuade you. [1] http://archive.is/UTyoT#selection-2159.0-2156.3 http://archive.is/UTyoT#selection-2159.0-2156.3 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy

jki275 6y ago
You didn't look very hard: https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-truth-about-ddt-and-silent-spring https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/the-truth-about-...
- throwanem 6y ago
  Zubrin's fine, if excessively Golden Age of Science Fiction for my taste, when he talks about Mars. Earth, not so much. But, again, if you want to keep company with someone who's super excited about anthropogenic climate change, likens mosquitoes to Nazi V-2s, and alludes with crafty dissimulation to the conspiracy theory around environmentalism that forms the backbone of such sober documentaries as "Kingsman: The Secret Service" (2014), go for it.
  - jki275 6y ago
    You can attack the messenger all day, without addressing any of the actual science. Just because you dislike the facts doesn't change that they remain facts. Silent Spring was a work of fiction, but it killed millions of children in the developing world, and continues to do so to this day. Fortunately at least some have seen the light and relaxed the ban on DDT.