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I am not downplaying anything and your points don't dispute my major argument of people are more important property. The sports bar, inventory, etc can be repl

by dvdhnt 6y ago

I am not downplaying anything and your points don't dispute my major argument of people are more important property. The sports bar, inventory, etc can be replaced. Why should locals care about those things when there's a real, non-zero chance their family and friends might be killed arbitrarily? Personally, I'd rather have my kids and wife than a Target.

grupthink 6y ago
Why do you think it’s ok for rioters to destroy the property of businesses not involved with the death of George Floyd?
- 0x8BADF00D 6y ago
  Violence is often normalized so long as those who are perpetuating it are politically aligned. For example, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and his government genocided millions of Greeks and Armenians. Most nationalistic Turks found nothing wrong with that. In fact, Hitler admired Ataturk a lot, and used his actions as a template for his own programs. "The minority problem in Anatolia was solved in a very simple fashion... “Only through the annihilation of the Greek and the Armenian tribes in Anatolia was the creation of a Turkish national state and the formation of an unflawed Turkish body of society within one state possible.” Multiethnic nations don’t tend to last very long.
  - microcolonel 6y ago
    It's a lot harder when the people who ostensibly advocate for multiethnic nations reject the only form of multiethnic nation that seems to work: one with a strong national identity and character. Multiculturalism fails without independent nationalism of one sort or another.
    - 0x8BADF00D 6y ago
      Yes that is true, and one of the major failures of the Ottoman Empire. They couldn’t instill any sort of nationalism in Greeks and other minority subjects. The cultures were too different. Hence why the empire fell and Balkanized.
  - dang 6y ago
    You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly by using HN for ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, so please stop. It's off topic here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
microcolonel 6y ago
> I am not downplaying anything... You literally just characterized the largest mass arson in at least several decades as "spray painting a building or stealing a TV". > ...your points don't dispute my major argument of people are more important property. I guess the ten or more people who have already died in the riots don't matter though; nor the numerous women who have been raped under the cover of chaos, nor the victims of the kidnappings. Effectively nobody is happy about the murder of George Floyd, but why cover for the killing of several more people and the destruction of countless lives? Is it over some bizarre sense of justice? What justice are you enabling, making cover for looters who were happy to bust the sports bar owner's safe right in front of him, and take what they please? This is incoherent. If the riots were out of a regard for human life, they would not callously destroy so many such lives.

by dvdhnt 6y ago

grupthink 6y ago

Why do you think it’s ok for rioters to destroy the property of businesses not involved with the death of George Floyd?

0x8BADF00D 6y ago
Violence is often normalized so long as those who are perpetuating it are politically aligned. For example, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and his government genocided millions of Greeks and Armenians. Most nationalistic Turks found nothing wrong with that. In fact, Hitler admired Ataturk a lot, and used his actions as a template for his own programs. "The minority problem in Anatolia was solved in a very simple fashion... “Only through the annihilation of the Greek and the Armenian tribes in Anatolia was the creation of a Turkish national state and the formation of an unflawed Turkish body of society within one state possible.” Multiethnic nations don’t tend to last very long.
- microcolonel 6y ago
  It's a lot harder when the people who ostensibly advocate for multiethnic nations reject the only form of multiethnic nation that seems to work: one with a strong national identity and character. Multiculturalism fails without independent nationalism of one sort or another.
  - 0x8BADF00D 6y ago
    Yes that is true, and one of the major failures of the Ottoman Empire. They couldn’t instill any sort of nationalism in Greeks and other minority subjects. The cultures were too different. Hence why the empire fell and Balkanized.
- dang 6y ago
  You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly by using HN for ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, so please stop. It's off topic here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

microcolonel 6y ago

> I am not downplaying anything... You literally just characterized the largest mass arson in at least several decades as "spray painting a building or stealing a TV". > ...your points don't dispute my major argument of people are more important property. I guess the ten or more people who have already died in the riots don't matter though; nor the numerous women who have been raped under the cover of chaos, nor the victims of the kidnappings. Effectively nobody is happy about the murder of George Floyd, but why cover for the killing of several more people and the destruction of countless lives? Is it over some bizarre sense of justice? What justice are you enabling, making cover for looters who were happy to bust the sports bar owner's safe right in front of him, and take what they please? This is incoherent. If the riots were out of a regard for human life, they would not callously destroy so many such lives.