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> People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things There are people who want to destroy things. See: https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/126612710

by joshmn 6y ago

> People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things There are people who want to destroy things. See: https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/1266127105621983238?s=20 https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/1266127105621983238?... for a the current manchild of the hour. It often cascades from individuals like these. He may be the poster boy of the chaos but I assure you, as someone who has been in these streets, he is not alone. Please, come join us and you can see for yourself. There are countless innocent business owners who were ransacked, who were had their livelihoods changed that would beg to differ with you. I understand the concept of being loud to be heard. I understand making a statement. I understand burning down the precinct. What I don't understand is looting independent pharmacies, liquor stores, and restaurants to steal inventory and merchandize and break into safes. https://www.startribune.com/these-minneapolis-st-paul-buildings-are-damaged-looted-after-george-floyd-protests/569930671/ https://www.startribune.com/these-minneapolis-st-paul-buildi... https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/gsum4h/minority_business_owner_who_invested_life_savings/ https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/gsum4h/minority_...

daeken 6y ago
Does rioting destroy things? Yes. But read that sentence from me again: "People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things". People are rioting because they see this as the only way forward, not because they want a new TV. They may get that TV in the process, but it's not the motivation.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  Protesting and rioting are separate, and often done by separate people. One gives cover to the other. But it doesn’t need to lead to the other.
  - wbronitsky 6y ago
    It’s is wildly racist that this comment, and many other comments on here, are far more focused on the rioters than the murder that occurred on a sidewalk in broad daylight.
    - fiter 6y ago
      The police misuse of force and deadly force and police brutality are unfortunately topics that all races can engage with[0]. It is not clear to me that insisting racism is creating a coalition that will change the system. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_the_United_States#Racial_patterns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_...
    - bitcurious 6y ago
      Also racist is the indifference to these riots, when their cost falls on the same minorities they ostensibly are in protection of. Look at Detroit. Look at Newark. Any wealth that might have been accumulating in the black communities of Minneapolis has just evaporated.
lidHanteyk 6y ago
Your tweet links to an unmasking of a police officer committing false-flag violence in order to justify counter-violence towards protestors and rioters. People are rioting because they are angry. It happens that people are constantly, very gently, angry at the entire capitalist complex. When people riot, therefore they are going to burn down the capitalist complex, because it irritates them and they are in a provocative mood.
- chance_state 6y ago
  >Your tweet links to an unmasking of a police officer committing false-flag violence in order to justify counter-violence towards protestors and rioters. Please link some proof or stop spreading this rumor on HN. >White guy breaks windows and.. walks away? Holds an umbrella? Is this evidence that he's a cop or just your imagination?
  - t-writescode 6y ago
    There's a very short list of what that person can be: Either the video is fake or real. Let's pretend it's real. Either the video is staged or not. * if staged, then this is a person trying to spread the idea that there are agent provocateurs * if not staged, then this is a real person that did this If this is a real person that did this, then: * they either did it of their own free will, or * there is a group of people encouraging them to do it. If they did it of their own free will, then either: * they want to steal things * they want to break things * they want to get back at Autozone * they want to cause a suggestion that there is violence in the protest at that location * they want to _start_ violence in the protest at that location If they did it as part of a group effort, then they were either coerced or not; but, in both cases, the intention of the group that caused it is what matters: * the group wanted someone to steal things / break things / get back at autozone * the group wanted to cause a suggestion that there is violence in the protest at that location * the group wanted to _start_ violence in the protest at that location. Then you need to look at the probabilities of each of these situations, especially the person themselves and their attire. I think it's reasonable to conclude either: * this guy just wanted to do harm to the location for themselves * somebody, acting alone or with others, is trying to either make the protests violent or make the protests look violent * it's staged and the people staging the video are trying to make it look like there are agent provocateurs out there trying to either make the protests violent or make them look like they're violent. Did I miss any combination? 2 of that final set are especially bad, in my opinion; and, they're sufficiently likely as to not rule them, out. ( edit: formatting ) edit: sorry, I did miss one: * he's trying to cause an insurance claim for the autozone
Uhhrrr 6y ago
I didn't notice before: in the man-child video, someone has already spray-painted "Free Shit For Everyone Zone" on the red back door of the Autozone.
wayoutthere 6y ago
"Current manchild of the hour" has been identified as a police officer in plain clothes in other threads... There are a lot of provocateurs and I don't think we can align any of their motives with those of the protesters. Many are trying to create a justification for violence against the protesters. Some are just "break shit and get free stuff".
- lappet 6y ago
  It is insane that a police officer in plain clothes would do that. Did they think they would not get caught?
  - walls 6y ago
    Are you living in the same America as everyone else?
- 9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
  Source for that? It's possible but it looked like white as antifa black block kid. The style is literally the same what they do all around the world during the G20 etc. meetings.

by joshmn 6y ago

daeken 6y ago

Does rioting destroy things? Yes. But read that sentence from me again: "People aren't rioting because they want to destroy things". People are rioting because they see this as the only way forward, not because they want a new TV. They may get that TV in the process, but it's not the motivation.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
Protesting and rioting are separate, and often done by separate people. One gives cover to the other. But it doesn’t need to lead to the other.
- wbronitsky 6y ago
  It’s is wildly racist that this comment, and many other comments on here, are far more focused on the rioters than the murder that occurred on a sidewalk in broad daylight.
  - fiter 6y ago
    The police misuse of force and deadly force and police brutality are unfortunately topics that all races can engage with[0]. It is not clear to me that insisting racism is creating a coalition that will change the system. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_the_United_States#Racial_patterns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_...
  - bitcurious 6y ago
    Also racist is the indifference to these riots, when their cost falls on the same minorities they ostensibly are in protection of. Look at Detroit. Look at Newark. Any wealth that might have been accumulating in the black communities of Minneapolis has just evaporated.

lidHanteyk 6y ago

Your tweet links to an unmasking of a police officer committing false-flag violence in order to justify counter-violence towards protestors and rioters. People are rioting because they are angry. It happens that people are constantly, very gently, angry at the entire capitalist complex. When people riot, therefore they are going to burn down the capitalist complex, because it irritates them and they are in a provocative mood.

chance_state 6y ago
>Your tweet links to an unmasking of a police officer committing false-flag violence in order to justify counter-violence towards protestors and rioters. Please link some proof or stop spreading this rumor on HN. >White guy breaks windows and.. walks away? Holds an umbrella? Is this evidence that he's a cop or just your imagination?
- t-writescode 6y ago
  There's a very short list of what that person can be: Either the video is fake or real. Let's pretend it's real. Either the video is staged or not. * if staged, then this is a person trying to spread the idea that there are agent provocateurs * if not staged, then this is a real person that did this If this is a real person that did this, then: * they either did it of their own free will, or * there is a group of people encouraging them to do it. If they did it of their own free will, then either: * they want to steal things * they want to break things * they want to get back at Autozone * they want to cause a suggestion that there is violence in the protest at that location * they want to _start_ violence in the protest at that location If they did it as part of a group effort, then they were either coerced or not; but, in both cases, the intention of the group that caused it is what matters: * the group wanted someone to steal things / break things / get back at autozone * the group wanted to cause a suggestion that there is violence in the protest at that location * the group wanted to _start_ violence in the protest at that location. Then you need to look at the probabilities of each of these situations, especially the person themselves and their attire. I think it's reasonable to conclude either: * this guy just wanted to do harm to the location for themselves * somebody, acting alone or with others, is trying to either make the protests violent or make the protests look violent * it's staged and the people staging the video are trying to make it look like there are agent provocateurs out there trying to either make the protests violent or make them look like they're violent. Did I miss any combination? 2 of that final set are especially bad, in my opinion; and, they're sufficiently likely as to not rule them, out. ( edit: formatting ) edit: sorry, I did miss one: * he's trying to cause an insurance claim for the autozone

Uhhrrr 6y ago

I didn't notice before: in the man-child video, someone has already spray-painted "Free Shit For Everyone Zone" on the red back door of the Autozone.

wayoutthere 6y ago

"Current manchild of the hour" has been identified as a police officer in plain clothes in other threads... There are a lot of provocateurs and I don't think we can align any of their motives with those of the protesters. Many are trying to create a justification for violence against the protesters. Some are just "break shit and get free stuff".

lappet 6y ago
It is insane that a police officer in plain clothes would do that. Did they think they would not get caught?
- walls 6y ago
  Are you living in the same America as everyone else?
9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
Source for that? It's possible but it looked like white as antifa black block kid. The style is literally the same what they do all around the world during the G20 etc. meetings.