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FTA: "Unarmed Predator drones were first used within the United States in 2012, when the Department of Homeland Security flew one over the property of a cattle
by dpflan 6y ago
FTA: "Unarmed Predator drones were first used within the United States in 2012, when the Department of Homeland Security flew one over the property of a cattle farmer named Rodney Brossart to surveil him, and to help end a 16-hour standoff between him and another rancher over a stolen-cattle dispute. The use was highly controversial at the time; since then, CBP has used drones hundreds of times, and has not kept very good records about their use."
That strikes me as a highly unexpected and odd situation to be the catalyst for "OK'ing" use within US.
- dpflan 6y agoOh, interesting, here is the court case: > https://www.nacdl.org/getattachment/136371f4-aa38-476f-bd9a-a0908dbfd19b/Brossart-Order.pdf?lang=en-US https://www.nacdl.org/getattachment/136371f4-aa38-476f-bd9a-... On page 12: "There was no improper use of an unmanned aerial vehicle. It appears to have had no bearing on these charges being contested here."
- user982 6y agoExceptional first cases pave precedent for unexceptional normalization.
- dmix 6y agoThis is why I'm looking forward to ~1 year from now to see who is getting 'fact checked' on Twitter. Only a fool would be evaluating the first case to judge whether the whole idea is valid.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y agoNo one can see past their own noses it seems.
- t-writescode 6y ago(edit: Few like) the idea of letting any bad people go, even if it eventually means taking in a lot of innocent people
- billme 6y agoFalse; Katrina & US border patrol was what officially sparked the call to (publicly) use drones in the US. CBP has used drones with FAA approval within the US since 2006; which does not included any use prior to 2006 which remains classified. SOURCE: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115491642950528436 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115491642950528436
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y agoOdd question. The thing that I find odd about it is the jurisdiction of US border patrol here. Why would the government call them as opposed to, say, national guard? I am curious.
- PeterisP 6y agoProbably because US border patrol has aerial surveillance vehicles and lots of experience in their use, and the national guard likely does not
- billme 6y agoThey both have experience, US National Guard would require DoD approval to fly domestic missions.
- billme 6y agoHere’s a map of their jurisdiction: https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/05/who-lives-in-border-patrols-100-mile-zone-probably-you-mapped/558275/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/05/who-lives-in-border-p...
- joncrane 6y agoBecause there's a suspension of civil liberties within X miles of a border, and the power can be exercised by the USBP. (Edit: see map posted in a sibling comment. See position of Minneapolis on said map)