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A warning: this is not a Universal Income for everyone type of thing. This is a monetary help for the poorest people to be able to live with some dignity. I'm

A warning: this is not a Universal Income for everyone type of thing. This is a monetary help for the poorest people to be able to live with some dignity. I'm not criticising, just clearing things up because the headlines (here and elsewhere) make it sound like something that it isn't.

p1anecrazy 6y ago
I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just call it an unemployment benefit.
- tom_mellior 6y ago
  It also applies to the underemployed or underpaid, they will top up earnings you might already have.
  - ac29 6y ago
    I wonder how many people will see their employers cut their wages since "the government will make up the rest".
    - pvaldes 6y ago
      Very unlikely. That would be suicidal publicity at this moment.
    - tom_mellior 6y ago
      Anyone with such an employer would hopefully quit, now that they have the security of the guaranteed minimal income. Which means that this is to some extent a worker protection scheme: Employers will have to make menial, badly paid jobs more attractive since they will now be competing against "no work for the same money". In theory, at least. In practice things might devolve into more unreported employment, so workers could get both the full state minimum income and an unreported income on top of it. This is one of the crucial differences to a proper universal basic income: The UBI does not discourage taking a job that adds income to the UBI. This kind of minimal income scheme does discourage taking badly paid jobs, since the total money you receive remains the same whether you work or not.
- pvaldes 6y ago
  You would need to be unemployed to be able to receive this. And for some of this people this benefit has extinguised yet after a decade of economic war. Moreover, not all works generate unemployment benefits. Many scientist's work for example would not qualify. Volunteers would not qualify also.

p1anecrazy 6y ago

I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just call it an unemployment benefit.

tom_mellior 6y ago
It also applies to the underemployed or underpaid, they will top up earnings you might already have.
- ac29 6y ago
  I wonder how many people will see their employers cut their wages since "the government will make up the rest".
  - pvaldes 6y ago
    Very unlikely. That would be suicidal publicity at this moment.
  - tom_mellior 6y ago
    Anyone with such an employer would hopefully quit, now that they have the security of the guaranteed minimal income. Which means that this is to some extent a worker protection scheme: Employers will have to make menial, badly paid jobs more attractive since they will now be competing against "no work for the same money". In theory, at least. In practice things might devolve into more unreported employment, so workers could get both the full state minimum income and an unreported income on top of it. This is one of the crucial differences to a proper universal basic income: The UBI does not discourage taking a job that adds income to the UBI. This kind of minimal income scheme does discourage taking badly paid jobs, since the total money you receive remains the same whether you work or not.
pvaldes 6y ago
You would need to be unemployed to be able to receive this. And for some of this people this benefit has extinguised yet after a decade of economic war. Moreover, not all works generate unemployment benefits. Many scientist's work for example would not qualify. Volunteers would not qualify also.