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> treated as less human Keep it civil? Nobody said anything about "less human". That's a vile straw man.
by tantalor 6y ago
> treated as less human
Keep it civil? Nobody said anything about "less human". That's a vile straw man.
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- evanb 6y ago> treated as extra-disposable and second class I suppose it depends on the eye of the beholder. Humans aren't disposable.
- izzydata 6y agoThe position is disposable, not the person.
- artsyca 6y agoI was let go with no notice and not even a bag to take my shit home while the asshat recruiting manager who hired me and got a promotion
- threatofrain 6y agoFor such statements we must observe the speech which is uttered forth from the motion of hands and not the motion of lips.
- floatingatoll 6y agoThis is a web forum that uses characters submitted in a form textarea to communicate. Whether those comments are posted by hand or by assistive technologies such as text-to-speech or mouth control is not relevant.
- floatingatoll 6y agoI used to be a contract worker in tech. If you'd like to learn more about why I feel that way, and why those feelings come up for me when reading the comment I replied to, then I would normally encourage asking. You chose the "this is conversational warfare" approach instead, so there isn't anything I can usefully say about that topic in reply.
- gamblor956 6y ago"extra-disposable and second class" It's not a straw man. It's in there in the original comment.
- RHSeeger 6y agoSecond class employee does not, in any way, imply less than human. If there are FTE and Contractors, and you have to lay people off, the Contractors come first. The commitments you've made to each are different. That doesn't mean they are less human, or that you don't feel bad that you need to let them go. But sometimes, you have to let people go, and you have to choose which people.
- cranky_coder 6y agoYou seem to explicitly ignore the “extra-disposable” modifier used with “second-class”. Curious.
- artsyca 6y agoNo seriously you're not treated with dignity which is less than any human deserves
- RHSeeger 6y agoI just don't understand this argument. As a contractor, you are hired with the understanding that, if someone needs to be let go, it is you before the FTEs. In general, you're paid more as contractor than as an FTE, and that's one of the reasons. There is nothing about that that implies you're not treated with dignity.
- artsyca 6y agoYes it's not intrinsic to the relationship per se but in the implementation. Contractors are treated with less dignity than they deserve on a number of fronts As a contractor and even as an employee I've been treated with less dignity than I deserve especially when being let go on a moment's notice and treated like a plague carrier the minute I'm terminated