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Submitted with the hope that it can be discussed without too much vitriol, although honestly I'm not expecting it to last very long. We don't get a lot of cont

Submitted with the hope that it can be discussed without too much vitriol, although honestly I'm not expecting it to last very long. We don't get a lot of content from the viewpoint proponents of things like the "ethical source license" (A license that explicitly prevents groups like ICE from using the code). I don't think this article was written with the intention of being divisive, and I'd hope it could offer some insight into the mind-set of that particular sub-culture.

xhkkffbf 6y ago
You're dreaming. I stopped reading when it said that most of the contributors are male, but somehow women are being oppressed because the open source work is unpaid.
- Traster 6y ago
  It didn't say that. At all. That's just a connection you made up. It made the point that outside of technology, in the real world women traditionally do the unpaid labour - housekeeping, raising children, caring for elderly family members, and because of this, they come in with a perspective that's primed to notice that open source work is often unpaid and has a similar dynamic of value accruing to people who aren't responsible for the work.
leethargo 6y ago
Restricting the use would mean that it's not classified as open-source as per [1] "6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor", right? Would that also mean that software released with such restrictions would likely be incompatible with most existing OSS licenses, making it impractical to build on top of existing code? [1] https://opensource.org/docs/osd https://opensource.org/docs/osd
- josephcsible 6y ago
  Yes to both, and doing so also makes it non-free per the FSF. Here's what they say about the Anti-996 license [1], as well as about this concept in general [2]. Caveat to the second point: while it is indeed incompatible with copyleft licenses like the GPL, pushover licenses like the MIT license unfortunately are compatible with it, so there probably will be some degree of proliferation of that sort of thing. [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#Anti-996 https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#Anti-996 [2] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freedom-to-run.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freed...
jka 6y ago
As an antidote to at least some of that potential vitriol - thank you, this was an enjoyable read containing good food for thought and useful references.

xhkkffbf 6y ago

You're dreaming. I stopped reading when it said that most of the contributors are male, but somehow women are being oppressed because the open source work is unpaid.

Traster 6y ago
It didn't say that. At all. That's just a connection you made up. It made the point that outside of technology, in the real world women traditionally do the unpaid labour - housekeeping, raising children, caring for elderly family members, and because of this, they come in with a perspective that's primed to notice that open source work is often unpaid and has a similar dynamic of value accruing to people who aren't responsible for the work.

leethargo 6y ago

Restricting the use would mean that it's not classified as open-source as per [1] "6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor", right? Would that also mean that software released with such restrictions would likely be incompatible with most existing OSS licenses, making it impractical to build on top of existing code? [1] https://opensource.org/docs/osd https://opensource.org/docs/osd

josephcsible 6y ago
Yes to both, and doing so also makes it non-free per the FSF. Here's what they say about the Anti-996 license [1], as well as about this concept in general [2]. Caveat to the second point: while it is indeed incompatible with copyleft licenses like the GPL, pushover licenses like the MIT license unfortunately are compatible with it, so there probably will be some degree of proliferation of that sort of thing. [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#Anti-996 https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#Anti-996 [2] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freedom-to-run.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freed...

jka 6y ago

As an antidote to at least some of that potential vitriol - thank you, this was an enjoyable read containing good food for thought and useful references.