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Because who sits around at work on a vr headset? Vr is inherently anti (local) social. Vr is fantastic for certain things right now, sim racing being the one I’

Because who sits around at work on a vr headset? Vr is inherently anti (local) social. Vr is fantastic for certain things right now, sim racing being the one I’m familiar with, that it completely blows away any alternative. The big issue I’ve found is the UX and software is atrocious. Things are not intuitive, there’s walled gardens (f you oculus). I’ve had so many moments of knowing what I want to do, but being totally unable to figure out how to do it. I’ll be excited once Apple enters space to figure out a bunch of this stuff and the rest of the field can just copy them.

asciident 6y ago
Isn't Apple just going to do a walled garden as well? I'm skipping this platform as well until there are open standards and we don't have to develop one version of each app for each platform.
- wmeredith 6y ago
  Apple's walled gardens tend to be set up to serve 80% of the population so well they don't care.
  - jorvi 6y ago
    > 80% of the population How do you get to this number when Apple has only 25-35% market share..
    - d3ckard 6y ago
      Slightly tongue-in-cheek answer is that the rest can’t afford their devices.
      - rowanG077 6y ago
        I doubt it. A lot of people could afford it but either think using Apple fuels an anticonsumer empire or think that it offers little advantage over the competition.
- gumby 6y ago
  There's WebVRR.
sornaensis 6y ago
Comments like these make me feel like VR proponents are just people who don't know TrackIR exists. I'm not sure VR can really compete with a device that for ~200$ allows you proper view directed freelook in loads of games without having to seal your eyes off under a visor. With a modestly sized panel I didn't notice any less immersion using head tracking versus a (for me, highly annoying) head-encasing visor. It also leaves room for having sim-appropriate peripherals that you can actually use because they aren't obscured by the screen. Just my experience having tried both and being a big simulation enthusiast (flight sim, driving, arma milsim, all that stuff).
- eightysixfour 6y ago
  Personally I have TrackIR and a large ultrawide screen, but I still prefer my VR headset for sim racing. I don't find them annoying and haven't really had any issues using peripherals, although I'm one of the (seemingly) odd ones who doesn't care about buying a button box to start my car.
  - ChicagoBoy11 6y ago
    The VR sim racing experience is so unbelievably compelling. I think anyone who shits on VR needs to first be setup with a nice sim racing rig in VR. It is unbelievably immersive in a way that TrackIR or triple monitors or whatever else just cannot deliver.
- ebg13 6y ago
  > Comments like these make me feel like VR proponents are just people who don't know TrackIR exists. Comments like this make me feel like TrackIR proponents are just people who don't know depth perception exists or that things can happen in places that aren't in front of you. TrackIR is an _input_ device. VR HMD is a _display_ device. The two are not interchangeable. TrackIR doesn't magically make you able to look over your shoulder.
  - sornaensis 6y ago
    TrackIR accomplishes the task that many people seem to think only a vr headset can give them: Headtracking freelook immersion; they are extremely comparable. And binocular depth perception is only one method of depth perception.. edit: > or that things can happen in places that aren't in front of you > TrackIR doesn't magically make you able to look over your shoulder. No idea how to decipher this: I have no issue looking around in any of the games I use trackIR with. It gives you the exact same freedom of input it just doesn't seal me off from being able to see what's going on irl around me.
perseusprime11 6y ago
Anti-socials are a big market and that is their target audience.

asciident 6y ago

Isn't Apple just going to do a walled garden as well? I'm skipping this platform as well until there are open standards and we don't have to develop one version of each app for each platform.

wmeredith 6y ago
Apple's walled gardens tend to be set up to serve 80% of the population so well they don't care.
- jorvi 6y ago
  > 80% of the population How do you get to this number when Apple has only 25-35% market share..
  - d3ckard 6y ago
    Slightly tongue-in-cheek answer is that the rest can’t afford their devices.
    - rowanG077 6y ago
      I doubt it. A lot of people could afford it but either think using Apple fuels an anticonsumer empire or think that it offers little advantage over the competition.
gumby 6y ago
There's WebVRR.

sornaensis 6y ago

Comments like these make me feel like VR proponents are just people who don't know TrackIR exists. I'm not sure VR can really compete with a device that for ~200$ allows you proper view directed freelook in loads of games without having to seal your eyes off under a visor. With a modestly sized panel I didn't notice any less immersion using head tracking versus a (for me, highly annoying) head-encasing visor. It also leaves room for having sim-appropriate peripherals that you can actually use because they aren't obscured by the screen. Just my experience having tried both and being a big simulation enthusiast (flight sim, driving, arma milsim, all that stuff).

eightysixfour 6y ago
Personally I have TrackIR and a large ultrawide screen, but I still prefer my VR headset for sim racing. I don't find them annoying and haven't really had any issues using peripherals, although I'm one of the (seemingly) odd ones who doesn't care about buying a button box to start my car.
- ChicagoBoy11 6y ago
  The VR sim racing experience is so unbelievably compelling. I think anyone who shits on VR needs to first be setup with a nice sim racing rig in VR. It is unbelievably immersive in a way that TrackIR or triple monitors or whatever else just cannot deliver.
ebg13 6y ago
> Comments like these make me feel like VR proponents are just people who don't know TrackIR exists. Comments like this make me feel like TrackIR proponents are just people who don't know depth perception exists or that things can happen in places that aren't in front of you. TrackIR is an _input_ device. VR HMD is a _display_ device. The two are not interchangeable. TrackIR doesn't magically make you able to look over your shoulder.
- sornaensis 6y ago
  TrackIR accomplishes the task that many people seem to think only a vr headset can give them: Headtracking freelook immersion; they are extremely comparable. And binocular depth perception is only one method of depth perception.. edit: > or that things can happen in places that aren't in front of you > TrackIR doesn't magically make you able to look over your shoulder. No idea how to decipher this: I have no issue looking around in any of the games I use trackIR with. It gives you the exact same freedom of input it just doesn't seal me off from being able to see what's going on irl around me.

perseusprime11 6y ago

Anti-socials are a big market and that is their target audience.