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AFAIK, WhatsApp has decent E2EE, but metadata is not encrypted. So even though Facebook can't see what you are saying, it can see to whom you are saying it, how

AFAIK, WhatsApp has decent E2EE, but metadata is not encrypted. So even though Facebook can't see what you are saying, it can see to whom you are saying it, how often, at what times etc.

jolux 6y ago
Telegram isn’t encrypted at all by default, and its encryption scheme is sketchy.
- FalconSensei 6y ago
  Exactly. WhatsApp still wins by having the message encrypted
- fullstop 6y ago
  Eh? It's encrypted by default. Not E2E, though, although that is an option which you can choose to use.
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    That's a bit disingenuous. Everything is encrypted these days, there's virtually nothing that doesn't use TLS. Therefore, when someone says "encrypted", it's a good bet they mean E2E.
    - fullstop 6y ago
      Telegram non-E2E is more than just TLS, though.
      - StavrosK 6y ago
        What more do they do? I'm not aware.
        fullstop 6y ago
        It is documented here: https://core.telegram.org/mtproto https://core.telegram.org/mtproto These layers are used in addition to any encryption done on the transport layer.
        jolux 6y ago
        Fair enough, but they have the keys for that layer, I don’t see how that’s an improvement over TLS.