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CNN team arrested by Minnesota police on live television

45 points by Kaibeezy 6y ago

muskjobs 6y ago
Probably for instigation. They'll play dumb of course, but if you honestly look at what CNN does - constant race-baiting, division, instigation, amplification of such issues, nowhere near objectivity, just look at the front page. This just leads to burned down cities. The city looks like a warzone, it's crazy. Maybe for the first time everyone takes responsibility.
- hadtodoit 6y ago
  Can't imagine why you're being downvoted I can't think of a single news outlet that doesn't do this.
Kaibeezy 6y ago
1:47 2:40 wow Reporters arrested while reporting, after having asked about where to position themselves, and while asking for further instructions about how to cooperate with police.
techer 6y ago
And somehow I’m not surprised. Shocked. But not. Some incredible footage.
- Kaibeezy 6y ago
  Crystal clear 1st Amendment violation. Feels like the pivotal scene in a documentary about how things fell apart.
chrisbennet 6y ago
Automatically plays video and has audio.
- chrisbennet 6y ago
  OK, for the future, can someone explain why warning others about this gets down-voted? Thanks.
fouc 6y ago
Why does police brutality happen at all in the first place? Why do police fail at handling riots? Seems like there needs to be some major changes made.
hadtodoit 6y ago
Why is this on HN? It's not remotely tech/culture. I don't want to be a jerk but please keep this stuff on reddit where it belongs.
- Kaibeezy 6y ago
  Legitimate initial question. I made sure to mark the precise spots in the video where the key actions occurred. People here seem to be interested in 1st amendment issues, and this was a startling example happening in realtime. If you don't agree, flag, or ignore and the group lets it sink, is my understanding of the protocol.
- techer 6y ago
  I believe everything is related. You’re right this is breaking news which generally holds no,value.
- pjc50 6y ago
  I wonder if people will still be asking this question when the tanks roll into San Francisco. (Sure, HN's leaky "no politics" rule, but ultimately you can refuse to deal with politics only so long as politics refuses to deal with you. It will be interesting to see what the effect of the Section 230 executive order will be... which also got flagged off HN)
  - hadtodoit 6y ago
    I would hope the tanks roll in if they try to burn the city down. The politicians in SF/CA have made every attempt to disarm the public. What happens when the SFPD abandon their post and looters are going house to house? And it's not so much a refusal to deal with politics as much as we are already dealing with it everywhere else. It's nice to have a refuge. Although I find it strange that thread was pruned as Section 230 is definitely related to tech.
- iso1631 6y ago
  Interested in what they were using. That was a flawless video. If it was a LiveU that implies that general cell service is still working well. If it was an older fashioned setup. I didn't see an SNG or links truck as they spun round at the start.
qq11ww22ee33 6y ago
Black CNN reporter. The white CNN reporter wasn't arrested.
- bobbean 6y ago
  The full video shows all 4 crew members being arrested one at a time. They left the camera rolling on the ground.
  - qq11ww22ee33 6y ago
    CNN @CNN · 57 m A black reporter from CNN was arrested while legally covering the protests in Minneapolis. A white reporter also on the ground was not. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1266323257520766976?s=20 https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1266323257520766976?s=20
    - bobbean 6y ago
      Ahh, I see. Okay thank you.
- haunter 6y ago
  Watch the full video the whole crew was arrested not just the black reporter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIClA57jWmQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIClA57jWmQ
- jlgaddis 6y ago
  > CNN's Josh Campell, who also was in the area but not standing with the on-air crew, said he, too, was approached by police, but was allowed to remain. -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-cnn-crew-arrested/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-cnn-crew-arres...
progfix 6y ago
Is it normal to immediately put handcuffs on someone that is arrested when there is no resistance at all?
- pjc50 6y ago
  The entire protest kicked off after putting a knee on the throat of a nonresisting arrestee. Police excessive force is the very subject of discussion.
- jlgaddis 6y ago
  Yes, "for your own safety as well as mine", according to the officers.
- tzs 6y ago
  Imagine it was not a reporter, but rather someone who allegedly had burgled a house or stolen a car--someone who, unlike the reporter, is not sure that they are going to be released soon probably without being charged. Someone who maybe has prior convictions and might be looking at the wrong end of his state's "repeat offender" laws. It's pretty obvious you'd handcuff them as soon as you arrested them, because even if they are not resisting or trying to flee now, there is a real risk that they are only not doing so because they don't think the odds are good at that moment, but will do so if the opportunity arises. They might just be waiting for the officers to be distracted, or to be left along with only one officer. None of that applies to the reporter, of course, but do we want police making that kind of judgement? At the very least it would raise thorny issues about bias in how they choose who to handcuff and who to not handcuff.
- stronglikedan 6y ago
  Yes. It's normal in a highly volatile situation to put handcuffs on immediately upon detention, even if it won't ultimately result in an arrest.
nihil75 6y ago
Over-militarized police. Put people in armor and combat gear and they immediately slip into the totalitarian oppressor mentality just as demonstrated in the Stanford prison experiment.
- haunter 6y ago
  >just as demonstrated in the Stanford prison experiment That's like one of the worst example because that was pretty much a fraud experiment and was debunked several times https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17287319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17287319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17796953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17796953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17387601 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17387601 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8073748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8073748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4108801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4108801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20660709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20660709
jlgaddis 6y ago
Importantly, the news crew was released about an hour later (per CNN).
- garyrichardson 6y ago
  That's not the point in this specific scenario -- noting this as "importantly" indicates you believe this is no big deal. People are often arrested and released without charge. It's a tactic to get people out of a situation and sort it out later. I would have expected no less. Arresting a news crew reporting on an event like this breaks significant norms (and possibly laws?).
  - jlgaddis 6y ago
    > ... noting this as "importantly" indicates you believe this is no big deal. Your assumption is 100% wrong. I absolutely think this is a big deal but I thought it was important that people reading the article and comments were aware that the journalists had since been released. We've got the rest of our lives to discuss this event but the most important thing -- the immediate concern -- is that the news crew was no longer in police custody.
thecolorblue 6y ago
This is not surprising. Clearly the police of Minnesota are not well trained and are not in an environment that promotes serving the people. It is terrible, and should not happen, but until the police culture of Minnesota changes we should expect more of the same.
jhanschoo 6y ago
It's interesting that when they arrested the team, the arrest happened after Jimenez showed his card. Then, as Jimenez was being led away, a police officer handed the mike to another of the staff. So at that point it doesn't seem like the officers had any intention to arrest the rest of the crew. Only after did an officer return to arrest the rest of the crew, perhaps after realizing the optics of arresting the sole colored of the crew and the only one who identified clearly as a reporter.
foolzcrow 6y ago
Covid is the new excuse to shutdown dissent. CNN is in on it.

45 points by Kaibeezy 6y ago

Probably for instigation. They'll play dumb of course, but if you honestly look at what CNN does - constant race-baiting, division, instigation, amplification of such issues, nowhere near objectivity, just look at the front page. This just leads to burned down cities. The city looks like a warzone, it's crazy. Maybe for the first time everyone takes responsibility.

hadtodoit 6y ago
Can't imagine why you're being downvoted I can't think of a single news outlet that doesn't do this.

Kaibeezy 6y ago

1:47 2:40 wow Reporters arrested while reporting, after having asked about where to position themselves, and while asking for further instructions about how to cooperate with police.

techer 6y ago

And somehow I’m not surprised. Shocked. But not. Some incredible footage.

Kaibeezy 6y ago
Crystal clear 1st Amendment violation. Feels like the pivotal scene in a documentary about how things fell apart.

chrisbennet 6y ago

Automatically plays video and has audio.

chrisbennet 6y ago
OK, for the future, can someone explain why warning others about this gets down-voted? Thanks.

fouc 6y ago

Why does police brutality happen at all in the first place? Why do police fail at handling riots? Seems like there needs to be some major changes made.

hadtodoit 6y ago

Why is this on HN? It's not remotely tech/culture. I don't want to be a jerk but please keep this stuff on reddit where it belongs.

Kaibeezy 6y ago
Legitimate initial question. I made sure to mark the precise spots in the video where the key actions occurred. People here seem to be interested in 1st amendment issues, and this was a startling example happening in realtime. If you don't agree, flag, or ignore and the group lets it sink, is my understanding of the protocol.
techer 6y ago
I believe everything is related. You’re right this is breaking news which generally holds no,value.
pjc50 6y ago
I wonder if people will still be asking this question when the tanks roll into San Francisco. (Sure, HN's leaky "no politics" rule, but ultimately you can refuse to deal with politics only so long as politics refuses to deal with you. It will be interesting to see what the effect of the Section 230 executive order will be... which also got flagged off HN)
- hadtodoit 6y ago
  I would hope the tanks roll in if they try to burn the city down. The politicians in SF/CA have made every attempt to disarm the public. What happens when the SFPD abandon their post and looters are going house to house? And it's not so much a refusal to deal with politics as much as we are already dealing with it everywhere else. It's nice to have a refuge. Although I find it strange that thread was pruned as Section 230 is definitely related to tech.
iso1631 6y ago
Interested in what they were using. That was a flawless video. If it was a LiveU that implies that general cell service is still working well. If it was an older fashioned setup. I didn't see an SNG or links truck as they spun round at the start.

qq11ww22ee33 6y ago

Black CNN reporter. The white CNN reporter wasn't arrested.

bobbean 6y ago
The full video shows all 4 crew members being arrested one at a time. They left the camera rolling on the ground.
- qq11ww22ee33 6y ago
  CNN @CNN · 57 m A black reporter from CNN was arrested while legally covering the protests in Minneapolis. A white reporter also on the ground was not. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1266323257520766976?s=20 https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1266323257520766976?s=20
  - bobbean 6y ago
    Ahh, I see. Okay thank you.
haunter 6y ago
Watch the full video the whole crew was arrested not just the black reporter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIClA57jWmQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIClA57jWmQ
jlgaddis 6y ago
> CNN's Josh Campell, who also was in the area but not standing with the on-air crew, said he, too, was approached by police, but was allowed to remain. -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-cnn-crew-arrested/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-cnn-crew-arres...

progfix 6y ago

Is it normal to immediately put handcuffs on someone that is arrested when there is no resistance at all?

pjc50 6y ago
The entire protest kicked off after putting a knee on the throat of a nonresisting arrestee. Police excessive force is the very subject of discussion.
jlgaddis 6y ago
Yes, "for your own safety as well as mine", according to the officers.
tzs 6y ago
Imagine it was not a reporter, but rather someone who allegedly had burgled a house or stolen a car--someone who, unlike the reporter, is not sure that they are going to be released soon probably without being charged. Someone who maybe has prior convictions and might be looking at the wrong end of his state's "repeat offender" laws. It's pretty obvious you'd handcuff them as soon as you arrested them, because even if they are not resisting or trying to flee now, there is a real risk that they are only not doing so because they don't think the odds are good at that moment, but will do so if the opportunity arises. They might just be waiting for the officers to be distracted, or to be left along with only one officer. None of that applies to the reporter, of course, but do we want police making that kind of judgement? At the very least it would raise thorny issues about bias in how they choose who to handcuff and who to not handcuff.
stronglikedan 6y ago
Yes. It's normal in a highly volatile situation to put handcuffs on immediately upon detention, even if it won't ultimately result in an arrest.

nihil75 6y ago

Over-militarized police. Put people in armor and combat gear and they immediately slip into the totalitarian oppressor mentality just as demonstrated in the Stanford prison experiment.

haunter 6y ago
>just as demonstrated in the Stanford prison experiment That's like one of the worst example because that was pretty much a fraud experiment and was debunked several times https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17287319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17287319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17796953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17796953 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17387601 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17387601 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8073748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8073748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4108801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4108801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20660709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20660709

jlgaddis 6y ago

Importantly, the news crew was released about an hour later (per CNN).

garyrichardson 6y ago
That's not the point in this specific scenario -- noting this as "importantly" indicates you believe this is no big deal. People are often arrested and released without charge. It's a tactic to get people out of a situation and sort it out later. I would have expected no less. Arresting a news crew reporting on an event like this breaks significant norms (and possibly laws?).
- jlgaddis 6y ago
  > ... noting this as "importantly" indicates you believe this is no big deal. Your assumption is 100% wrong. I absolutely think this is a big deal but I thought it was important that people reading the article and comments were aware that the journalists had since been released. We've got the rest of our lives to discuss this event but the most important thing -- the immediate concern -- is that the news crew was no longer in police custody.

thecolorblue 6y ago

This is not surprising. Clearly the police of Minnesota are not well trained and are not in an environment that promotes serving the people. It is terrible, and should not happen, but until the police culture of Minnesota changes we should expect more of the same.

jhanschoo 6y ago

It's interesting that when they arrested the team, the arrest happened after Jimenez showed his card. Then, as Jimenez was being led away, a police officer handed the mike to another of the staff. So at that point it doesn't seem like the officers had any intention to arrest the rest of the crew. Only after did an officer return to arrest the rest of the crew, perhaps after realizing the optics of arresting the sole colored of the crew and the only one who identified clearly as a reporter.

foolzcrow 6y ago

Covid is the new excuse to shutdown dissent. CNN is in on it.