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What are your country's policies around the issuing of passports? As for immigrants building the country up, for what it's worth, Britain is probably lower in t

What are your country's policies around the issuing of passports? As for immigrants building the country up, for what it's worth, Britain is probably lower in the world rankings in terms of wealth per capita than it was before large scale immigration from the former colonies began. Immigration gives you more people, that's all we can say for certain about its effects.

toyg 6y ago
> Britain is probably lower in the world rankings in terms of wealth per capita than it was before large scale immigration Citation needed. I seriously doubt your balance of probabilities. Britain pre-Windrush was on its knees. Britain pre-EEC was "the sick man of Europe". Please bring up some actual numbers to back your reactionary talking points, at the very least.
- barking 6y ago
  1960 Britain had the 4th largest economy in the world. 2015 it has the 5th largest economy in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_h... The United Kingdom represented 6.42% of the world's economy in 1960 (highest point), falling to 3.42% in 2012 (lowest point). It accounted for 5.2% of the world's economy in 1820, 9.1% in 1870, and 8.3% in 1913. England, Scotland and Wales generated 1.8% of the world's GDP in 1600
  - hyko 6y ago
    Do you genuinely believe that this drop in relative output was caused by inward migration, considering all the other historical factors?
    - barking 6y ago
      You're trying to put words in my mouth. You're the one who was making claims.
      - smcl 6y ago
        Well these are your own words: "Britain is probably lower in the world rankings in terms of wealth per capita than it was before large scale immigration" So the question again is: Do you genuinely believe that this drop in relative output was caused by inward migration, considering all the other historical factors?
        barking 6y ago
        Say you said using Wonderhair would prevent baldness and I said that there was no evidence for that and that in fact in the cases that I know of the people now have less hair than they had when they started using Wonderhair. Do I then have to defend myself from questions that infer I believe that Wonderhair causes hair loss?
        smcl 6y ago
        If you're in a discussion where you write a comment that looks like you're saying "immigration is a cause of long-term economic decline" and someone asks if that's what you're saying ... then yes you should probably clarify whether this is an accurate interpretation of your comment I'm not sure why you're coming up with a fictional hair-care product. If you aren't comfortable sharing your answer, then that's fine.
        barking 6y ago
        Quite a lot of innuendo in there. The person I responded to suggested that Britain only welcomed immigrants to help it because it was "on its back economically". I suppose that all would have been fine if, at worst, Britain was ranked exactly the same today as it was then but because it's actually ranked slightly lower (as I'd expected) the inference now is that I'm anti-immigration. Squeeze a bit more from the tube and you can openly brand me a racist and then you win. Anticipating that I might not oblige, you added your last sentence as insurance to cover that eventuality.
        6y ago
  - oblio 6y ago
    Lowest point? You were the cradle of the Industrial Revolution! Sorry to break the news to you, but as more countries industrialize, Britain's relative position will only go down. 1960 was the high point from this perspective. On the other hand, the UK will still be a developed country.
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  - toyg 6y ago
    > The United Kingdom represented 6.42% of the world's economy in 1960 (highest point) Windrush arrived in 1948. That "mass immigration" is literally what brought Britain to its highest point. Then the rest of the world was de-colonized, started working for themselves rather than for Europe, and here we are.

toyg 6y ago

> Britain is probably lower in the world rankings in terms of wealth per capita than it was before large scale immigration Citation needed. I seriously doubt your balance of probabilities. Britain pre-Windrush was on its knees. Britain pre-EEC was "the sick man of Europe". Please bring up some actual numbers to back your reactionary talking points, at the very least.

barking 6y ago
1960 Britain had the 4th largest economy in the world. 2015 it has the 5th largest economy in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_h... The United Kingdom represented 6.42% of the world's economy in 1960 (highest point), falling to 3.42% in 2012 (lowest point). It accounted for 5.2% of the world's economy in 1820, 9.1% in 1870, and 8.3% in 1913. England, Scotland and Wales generated 1.8% of the world's GDP in 1600
- hyko 6y ago
  Do you genuinely believe that this drop in relative output was caused by inward migration, considering all the other historical factors?
  - barking 6y ago
    You're trying to put words in my mouth. You're the one who was making claims.
    - smcl 6y ago
      Well these are your own words: "Britain is probably lower in the world rankings in terms of wealth per capita than it was before large scale immigration" So the question again is: Do you genuinely believe that this drop in relative output was caused by inward migration, considering all the other historical factors?
      - barking 6y ago
        Say you said using Wonderhair would prevent baldness and I said that there was no evidence for that and that in fact in the cases that I know of the people now have less hair than they had when they started using Wonderhair. Do I then have to defend myself from questions that infer I believe that Wonderhair causes hair loss?
        smcl 6y ago
        If you're in a discussion where you write a comment that looks like you're saying "immigration is a cause of long-term economic decline" and someone asks if that's what you're saying ... then yes you should probably clarify whether this is an accurate interpretation of your comment I'm not sure why you're coming up with a fictional hair-care product. If you aren't comfortable sharing your answer, then that's fine.
        barking 6y ago
        Quite a lot of innuendo in there. The person I responded to suggested that Britain only welcomed immigrants to help it because it was "on its back economically". I suppose that all would have been fine if, at worst, Britain was ranked exactly the same today as it was then but because it's actually ranked slightly lower (as I'd expected) the inference now is that I'm anti-immigration. Squeeze a bit more from the tube and you can openly brand me a racist and then you win. Anticipating that I might not oblige, you added your last sentence as insurance to cover that eventuality.
        6y ago
- oblio 6y ago
  Lowest point? You were the cradle of the Industrial Revolution! Sorry to break the news to you, but as more countries industrialize, Britain's relative position will only go down. 1960 was the high point from this perspective. On the other hand, the UK will still be a developed country.
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- toyg 6y ago
  > The United Kingdom represented 6.42% of the world's economy in 1960 (highest point) Windrush arrived in 1948. That "mass immigration" is literally what brought Britain to its highest point. Then the rest of the world was de-colonized, started working for themselves rather than for Europe, and here we are.