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Agree with many comments. If music were the way to describe society everything went to the hell. The problem is not only the computers usage in the music, is th

Agree with many comments. If music were the way to describe society everything went to the hell. The problem is not only the computers usage in the music, is that in terms of composition, lyrics, emotions, everything sucks. Any of these songs are crap that someone with the most basic knowledge on a DAW could make. "Roses" which is the less shity song sounds like a crap version of "Moonlight" from Gaullin. It would be awesome to have a complete musical review something like genres, rhythms, duration, "instruments" you know even if those are drum loops and synths, etc.

PetahNZ 6y ago
Wow... just let people enjoy things.
- stubish 6y ago
  Or let people know what they are missing? I've always hoped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm-oBpLZ0WY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm-oBpLZ0WY was genuine, someone listening to Led Zeppelin for the first time. There is a lot of good music out there, including current releases, but Spotify doesn't seem to be how to learn about it. So many with their tastes still set on 'default'.
colejohnson66 6y ago
I’m reminded of when Jazz became a thing and practically everywhere said “it’s not classical, it has no soul, etc. and therefore sucks”. It’s pop music because... well... it’s popular. You may not like it, but a lot of people do. There’s nothing wrong with that. Adam Neely had a really good video showcasing newspapers and editorials denouncing the Jazz genre when it appeared. It seems to have been taken down, unfortunately. Basically, as you get older, selection bias regarding music becomes more prevalent, and you forget the bad music you liked and end up only remembering “the classics”. Just because a song charts doesn’t mean it’ll last.
- jariel 6y ago
  Nobody with any sense could look at Jazz musician and say they didn't have talent. Just the opposite: most musicians watching Jazz would just be floored at what's going on, that it's even possible. So while they may or may not like it, it's basically impossible not to respect.
  - colejohnson66 6y ago
    You’re ignoring the point. The point is that, at that time, people hated it. Nowadays, you’d be hard pressed to find someone who hates jazz; they’ll recognize it as instrumental, but they won’t like it. The hatred towards modern pop is the same thing. It’s just a fad. In 20 or so years, the younger people who like it will hate the pop of the 2040s or 2050s.
    - jariel 6y ago
      "The hatred towards modern pop is the same thing." No, this is not true at all. "People hated Jazz" - agreed. "People hate pop music now" - agreed. 'Change is generational thing', ok, yes. But what you're missing is that 2020 pop music doesn't require any skill, at all. Jazz - to any musical observer - requires an immense amount of skill. However much anyone 'hated Jazz' - if they understood music in the slightest, they had to respect it. This is a big difference. The proof is the fact that Jazz is still alive and thriving. Whatever is on the Hot100 right now will be dead next year and never heard from again. Edit: I should be more specific - pop music doesn't require a lot of skill, because most acts aren't doing anything, they're generally not even behind their music - the producers are behind it. That said - it's definitely hard to be famous. Being a trend on YouTube is a kind of a skill, it just may not be musical.
      - freetime2 6y ago
        Is the quality of music determined by the skill of the performer? Or how much it pleases the listener? Also: > But what you're missing is that 2020 pop music doesn't require any skill, at all. I think it's much harder to write a hit pop song than you are making it sound. I don't think that I could do it. Do you think that you could?
sk5t 6y ago
Would you be equally upset to review the list of top-selling paperbacks? Would the answers support the idea that all new literature is trash?
cjsawyer 6y ago
Pop music has always been bad. But it’s also catchy and prints money. What were you expecting to find?
yyy888sss 6y ago
If music were the way to describe society - I'd say it shows that we are connected globally but also have a diverse range of tastes. A top hit song can quickly go viral globally now, yet the global number one song on Spotify usually only has around 5 million streams/day. Considering Spotify has ~300 million users, clearly people are listening to a wide range of stuff beyond the charts. Pop songs have had a simple beat, simple chord progression and simple lyrics since the dawn of recorded music. Anyone with the "most basic knowledge" of music could have made an early Beatles number one has well.
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toomanybeersies 6y ago
I think that most popular music is trash for most of the reasons you provided, but that's not because it's easy to recreate in Ableton or your DAW of choice. The skill required to recreate a song have no relevance to the quality of the song, and as a corollary the ability to play an instrument is orthogonal to compositional ability. Anyone with the most basic guitar knowledge can play Wonderwall, yet it's still an iconic song, and just because a pianist can play Chopin doesn't necessarily mean they can compose a work as great as Chopin's.

PetahNZ 6y ago

Wow... just let people enjoy things.

stubish 6y ago
Or let people know what they are missing? I've always hoped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm-oBpLZ0WY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm-oBpLZ0WY was genuine, someone listening to Led Zeppelin for the first time. There is a lot of good music out there, including current releases, but Spotify doesn't seem to be how to learn about it. So many with their tastes still set on 'default'.

colejohnson66 6y ago

I’m reminded of when Jazz became a thing and practically everywhere said “it’s not classical, it has no soul, etc. and therefore sucks”. It’s pop music because... well... it’s popular. You may not like it, but a lot of people do. There’s nothing wrong with that. Adam Neely had a really good video showcasing newspapers and editorials denouncing the Jazz genre when it appeared. It seems to have been taken down, unfortunately. Basically, as you get older, selection bias regarding music becomes more prevalent, and you forget the bad music you liked and end up only remembering “the classics”. Just because a song charts doesn’t mean it’ll last.

jariel 6y ago
Nobody with any sense could look at Jazz musician and say they didn't have talent. Just the opposite: most musicians watching Jazz would just be floored at what's going on, that it's even possible. So while they may or may not like it, it's basically impossible not to respect.
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  You’re ignoring the point. The point is that, at that time, people hated it. Nowadays, you’d be hard pressed to find someone who hates jazz; they’ll recognize it as instrumental, but they won’t like it. The hatred towards modern pop is the same thing. It’s just a fad. In 20 or so years, the younger people who like it will hate the pop of the 2040s or 2050s.
  - jariel 6y ago
    "The hatred towards modern pop is the same thing." No, this is not true at all. "People hated Jazz" - agreed. "People hate pop music now" - agreed. 'Change is generational thing', ok, yes. But what you're missing is that 2020 pop music doesn't require any skill, at all. Jazz - to any musical observer - requires an immense amount of skill. However much anyone 'hated Jazz' - if they understood music in the slightest, they had to respect it. This is a big difference. The proof is the fact that Jazz is still alive and thriving. Whatever is on the Hot100 right now will be dead next year and never heard from again. Edit: I should be more specific - pop music doesn't require a lot of skill, because most acts aren't doing anything, they're generally not even behind their music - the producers are behind it. That said - it's definitely hard to be famous. Being a trend on YouTube is a kind of a skill, it just may not be musical.
    - freetime2 6y ago
      Is the quality of music determined by the skill of the performer? Or how much it pleases the listener? Also: > But what you're missing is that 2020 pop music doesn't require any skill, at all. I think it's much harder to write a hit pop song than you are making it sound. I don't think that I could do it. Do you think that you could?

sk5t 6y ago

Would you be equally upset to review the list of top-selling paperbacks? Would the answers support the idea that all new literature is trash?

cjsawyer 6y ago

Pop music has always been bad. But it’s also catchy and prints money. What were you expecting to find?

yyy888sss 6y ago

If music were the way to describe society - I'd say it shows that we are connected globally but also have a diverse range of tastes. A top hit song can quickly go viral globally now, yet the global number one song on Spotify usually only has around 5 million streams/day. Considering Spotify has ~300 million users, clearly people are listening to a wide range of stuff beyond the charts. Pop songs have had a simple beat, simple chord progression and simple lyrics since the dawn of recorded music. Anyone with the "most basic knowledge" of music could have made an early Beatles number one has well.

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toomanybeersies 6y ago

I think that most popular music is trash for most of the reasons you provided, but that's not because it's easy to recreate in Ableton or your DAW of choice. The skill required to recreate a song have no relevance to the quality of the song, and as a corollary the ability to play an instrument is orthogonal to compositional ability. Anyone with the most basic guitar knowledge can play Wonderwall, yet it's still an iconic song, and just because a pianist can play Chopin doesn't necessarily mean they can compose a work as great as Chopin's.