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The same Weston A Price? https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling-legacy/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling...

by ebg13 6y ago

centimeter 6y ago
That site is the definition of midwit pulp. Citing rationalwiki, referring to raw meat as "dangerous", vast overconfidence compared to the actual predictive power available. Sure, WAPF has some wacky stuff, but they also have some obviously good advice, and for most of the disputable claims they make, we don't actually have especially good evidence that they're wrong, so it's not something I'm going to waste energy arguing about.
- ebg13 6y ago
  > That site is the definition of midwit pulp. You mean the WAPF site, right? > Sure, WAPF has some wacky stuff, but they also have some obviously good advice, and for most of the disputable claims they make, we don't actually have especially good evidence that they're wrong Here's WAPF recommending homeopathy for alcoholism, sinus infections, and cancer: https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy-and-alcoholism/ https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy-and-al... https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy/honk-if-you-hate-sinus-infections/ https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy/honk-i... https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy/dont-believe-homeopathy-place-cancer-treatment-think/ https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy/dont-b... Here's WAPF arguing against vaccines, calling Bill Gates (what?) a "delusional global dictator" (double what?) and saying that if you do have to give a child a vaccine that you should "keep him quiet for at least 24 hours after a shot" (triple what?) https://www.westonaprice.org/vaccinations/ https://www.westonaprice.org/vaccinations/
  - centimeter 6y ago
    Homeopathy doesn't work in a literal sense, but it's fine because it keeps people distracted from going to the doctor to get loaded up on pills until their condition goes away naturally. Cancer is probably the exception there. Like I said, they have some wacky stuff, but a lot of WP's advice is good
- UnbugMe 6y ago
  The WAPF has Screwed Price himself and people his findings could have helped by using his name to promote hokey bs. (spelling)
UnbugMe 6y ago
I've seen/read this site before. What really bothers me about it and the similar arguments found on quackwatch, they are pretty much all based on crap from The Weston A. Price Foundation that Price himself never even wrote/promoted. If SBM did ANY due diligence, I'm Pretty sure they'd notice that the foundation, (founded in 1999) is pretty far apart from Price's book, "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration". He died in 1948 and thus, had no connection to the foundation bearing his name. It's like they didn't read his book at all and just assumed The Weston A. Price Foundation was echoing his findings. The Weston A. Price Foundation is essentially wack fanfic, very loosely based on his findings, with tonnes of other "holistic" horse shit thrown in. Dr. Price himself was a proponent of many things that are coming into favor now, such as not overly processing food, not having white bread, getting adequate amounts of vit. d, vit. a, calcium and some others. Source: Unlike SBM/QW, I've actually read his book. FWIW, I enjoyed copious amounts of milk as a kid until about the age of 20, its just about all I drank. My vit. a/d levels must have been through the roof vs the average person. (In Canada vit. d3 has to be added to milk by law.) I'm 37, have all 32 teeth, sans cavities, yes even the wisdom teeth. Now adays, I prefer to just drink water and get vits. a/d from cod liver oil. My diet mostly consists of much vegetables and animal foods. Cooked veg and meat are always cooked in butter. I've never been overweight, my bp is 115/65. I'm super sedentary in the winter, quite active in the summer. Edited for spelling
- bsima 6y ago
  It's prudent to note that raw, natural, unadulterated milk is very different from the processed stuff in stores, which has a dark history: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/19th-century-fight-bacteria-ridden-milk-embalming-fluid-180970473/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/19th-century-f... See also the book "The Untold Story of Milk" by Ron Schmid.
  - UnbugMe 6y ago
    Yeah, I've eaten a decent amount of raw animal products of good quality and never gotten sick from them. Beef 4 times or so, pork once, sashimi and non sashimi grade fish, eggs, (daily), beef liver, cow tongue, oddly never milk yet. I don't think there is actually any good evidence that what I've done in that regard should be promoted. Price's book never promoted these things either.
bsima 6y ago
It's important to separate the research produced by the man Weston A Price from the foundation that has adopted his name. I'm referencing the man and his research, and citing lectures from the Ancestral Health Society, which actually publishes a scientific journal of its own.
- UnbugMe 6y ago
  Right, The WAPF and people who cant separate the man vs a foundation that was made over 50 years after he died, have probably done a huge amount of damage in this regard.

The same Weston A Price? https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling-legacy/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling...

by ebg13 6y ago

The same Weston A Price? https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling-legacy/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sbm-weston-prices-appalling...

centimeter 6y ago

That site is the definition of midwit pulp. Citing rationalwiki, referring to raw meat as "dangerous", vast overconfidence compared to the actual predictive power available. Sure, WAPF has some wacky stuff, but they also have some obviously good advice, and for most of the disputable claims they make, we don't actually have especially good evidence that they're wrong, so it's not something I'm going to waste energy arguing about.

ebg13 6y ago
> That site is the definition of midwit pulp. You mean the WAPF site, right? > Sure, WAPF has some wacky stuff, but they also have some obviously good advice, and for most of the disputable claims they make, we don't actually have especially good evidence that they're wrong Here's WAPF recommending homeopathy for alcoholism, sinus infections, and cancer: https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy-and-alcoholism/ https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy-and-al... https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy/honk-if-you-hate-sinus-infections/ https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy/honk-i... https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy/dont-believe-homeopathy-place-cancer-treatment-think/ https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/homeopathy/dont-b... Here's WAPF arguing against vaccines, calling Bill Gates (what?) a "delusional global dictator" (double what?) and saying that if you do have to give a child a vaccine that you should "keep him quiet for at least 24 hours after a shot" (triple what?) https://www.westonaprice.org/vaccinations/ https://www.westonaprice.org/vaccinations/
- centimeter 6y ago
  Homeopathy doesn't work in a literal sense, but it's fine because it keeps people distracted from going to the doctor to get loaded up on pills until their condition goes away naturally. Cancer is probably the exception there. Like I said, they have some wacky stuff, but a lot of WP's advice is good
UnbugMe 6y ago
The WAPF has Screwed Price himself and people his findings could have helped by using his name to promote hokey bs. (spelling)

UnbugMe 6y ago

I've seen/read this site before. What really bothers me about it and the similar arguments found on quackwatch, they are pretty much all based on crap from The Weston A. Price Foundation that Price himself never even wrote/promoted. If SBM did ANY due diligence, I'm Pretty sure they'd notice that the foundation, (founded in 1999) is pretty far apart from Price's book, "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration". He died in 1948 and thus, had no connection to the foundation bearing his name. It's like they didn't read his book at all and just assumed The Weston A. Price Foundation was echoing his findings. The Weston A. Price Foundation is essentially wack fanfic, very loosely based on his findings, with tonnes of other "holistic" horse shit thrown in. Dr. Price himself was a proponent of many things that are coming into favor now, such as not overly processing food, not having white bread, getting adequate amounts of vit. d, vit. a, calcium and some others. Source: Unlike SBM/QW, I've actually read his book. FWIW, I enjoyed copious amounts of milk as a kid until about the age of 20, its just about all I drank. My vit. a/d levels must have been through the roof vs the average person. (In Canada vit. d3 has to be added to milk by law.) I'm 37, have all 32 teeth, sans cavities, yes even the wisdom teeth. Now adays, I prefer to just drink water and get vits. a/d from cod liver oil. My diet mostly consists of much vegetables and animal foods. Cooked veg and meat are always cooked in butter. I've never been overweight, my bp is 115/65. I'm super sedentary in the winter, quite active in the summer. Edited for spelling

bsima 6y ago
It's prudent to note that raw, natural, unadulterated milk is very different from the processed stuff in stores, which has a dark history: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/19th-century-fight-bacteria-ridden-milk-embalming-fluid-180970473/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/19th-century-f... See also the book "The Untold Story of Milk" by Ron Schmid.
- UnbugMe 6y ago
  Yeah, I've eaten a decent amount of raw animal products of good quality and never gotten sick from them. Beef 4 times or so, pork once, sashimi and non sashimi grade fish, eggs, (daily), beef liver, cow tongue, oddly never milk yet. I don't think there is actually any good evidence that what I've done in that regard should be promoted. Price's book never promoted these things either.

bsima 6y ago

It's important to separate the research produced by the man Weston A Price from the foundation that has adopted his name. I'm referencing the man and his research, and citing lectures from the Ancestral Health Society, which actually publishes a scientific journal of its own.

UnbugMe 6y ago
Right, The WAPF and people who cant separate the man vs a foundation that was made over 50 years after he died, have probably done a huge amount of damage in this regard.