Good point, and I used to actually hold a stronger belief in things like that because to me they represent a larger-picture type of work that seemed more intere

Good point, and I used to actually hold a stronger belief in things like that because to me they represent a larger-picture type of work that seemed more interesting. BUT, ever since I exited out of that game to start my own business, my beliefs have been shifting. Now I can see exactly how successful businesses come together and make enough money to fill payroll, and there's no getting around the fact that real, valuable work needs to get done. And that only once the real work has been done, do you then get to have the nice byproducts of success which is to do public speaking, culture building, and etc all those extra-curricular things. But the existence of these extra-curriculars are predicated on having a successful business in the first place. And no matter how cynical anyone gets, you won't have a successful business based on /JUST/ bullshit empire building alone- you gotta do real work and provide real value. I can also see more clearly now that if society doesn't have the right balance between doers and talkers, we're eventually gonna have nothing valuable to show for anymore, and the fallout from that won't be pretty. When /everyone/ DESIRES to be talkers, instead of just a small minority, it's a worrisome trend.