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Are you saying that offshore shops in Ukraine/Poland charge $250/Hour for best candidates ? In that case, why would someone offshore it and not find devs in the

Are you saying that offshore shops in Ukraine/Poland charge $250/Hour for best candidates ? In that case, why would someone offshore it and not find devs in the US directly ? I am genuinely asking because the premise of my post was about finding the balance between cost savings and getting projects/work done effectively for companies that cannot afford to hire expensive devs in US.

ethanpil 6y ago
We definitely don't charge anything close to that. Of course, I wish we could... :) I don't see the cost benefit to clients.
Jugurtha 6y ago
No experience with Ukraine or Poland, we're based in Algiers and Paris and focused on ML. Our clients are in France and Algeria. My point was that it's not automatically cheaper as many people I talk with in Algiers assume that our clients in France come to us because we're "cheap offshore services" and we're not. Our clients come to us because we hold their hand from the moment they want to understand the value of this, to ideation on where in their business this can have an impact, to working with them to execute in that space learning their systems and all, to making sure they have good results. We've shipped products for banking, telcos, energy, rail transportation, and other domains. We're a tiny company so we're very flexible and can make decisions very fast and clients seem to like that enough to come back and refer people to us. So, that's the context for us. Not sure how it goes for dev or Web dev or mobile as it is something we did for our clients, but not something the company is focused on. As in, sure, we'll make a mobile application if the client needs it, but it is a vehicle of ML capability. I'm saying this to give more info from someone in such a company, on another continent, albeit in a field and a budget that may not be what you're talking about.
- ethanpil 6y ago
  This makes sense. ML is also a high value specialty right now. I believe that general web/mobile development services are a totally different ballgame due to the proliferation of talent, free (and good) tools, etc.

ethanpil 6y ago

We definitely don't charge anything close to that. Of course, I wish we could... :) I don't see the cost benefit to clients.

Jugurtha 6y ago

No experience with Ukraine or Poland, we're based in Algiers and Paris and focused on ML. Our clients are in France and Algeria. My point was that it's not automatically cheaper as many people I talk with in Algiers assume that our clients in France come to us because we're "cheap offshore services" and we're not. Our clients come to us because we hold their hand from the moment they want to understand the value of this, to ideation on where in their business this can have an impact, to working with them to execute in that space learning their systems and all, to making sure they have good results. We've shipped products for banking, telcos, energy, rail transportation, and other domains. We're a tiny company so we're very flexible and can make decisions very fast and clients seem to like that enough to come back and refer people to us. So, that's the context for us. Not sure how it goes for dev or Web dev or mobile as it is something we did for our clients, but not something the company is focused on. As in, sure, we'll make a mobile application if the client needs it, but it is a vehicle of ML capability. I'm saying this to give more info from someone in such a company, on another continent, albeit in a field and a budget that may not be what you're talking about.

ethanpil 6y ago
This makes sense. ML is also a high value specialty right now. I believe that general web/mobile development services are a totally different ballgame due to the proliferation of talent, free (and good) tools, etc.