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I wonder what the international (or national) law would be if UFC did take over an island somewhere. They could pretty much do whatever they wanted, unless the

I wonder what the international (or national) law would be if UFC did take over an island somewhere. They could pretty much do whatever they wanted, unless the jurisdiction interceded.

jcranmer 6y ago
I'm not sure there are any islands in existence today that are outside of some sovereign state's territorial jurisdiction.
- wincy 6y ago
  And if you try to create one you’re gonna get a reality check really quick when you allegedly threaten the sovereignty of some nation state like those seasteading people did.
- _trampeltier 6y ago
  How about just about to make your own island in international water?
  - jcranmer 6y ago
    UNCLOS says that any artificial islands within the exclusive economic zone of a country are subject to that country. This means in practice that you'd have to build an island that's not on a continental shelf... good luck with that.
    - nexuist 6y ago
      What about a really, really big oil rig?
      - CyberDildonics 6y ago
        I don't know if you would even need a big one. There are definitely shipping container ships that have huge decks that are more than enough space. I think if you have a decent margin around a helicopter pad you might even be able fit the octagon, cameras, corners and judges.
- chromaton 6y ago
  In the Antarctic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_nullius#Current_claims_of_terra_nullius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_nullius#Current_claims_o...
antoncohen 6y ago
The UFC does put on events in places without fighting regulations. For context, in most of the locations the UFC puts on events (fights) there are government regulation around combat sports, where a government commission sets the rules, and provides judges and referees. When the UFC puts on events in unregulated locations they act as their own commission, following the rules of the Nevada commission or the rules of Association of Boxing Commissions (ABC). They hire experienced judges and licensed referees that would normally be used in regulated places like Nevada. The UFC already contracts out to the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) to do what is basically olympic level drug testing of all their athletes. There are unified rules for MMA, set by the ABC. The UFC very much wants to be legit and legal, so "whatever they want" will be following established rules and regulations.
- dclusin 6y ago
  Bloomberg has a great article explaining this in more detail and the history of the UFC: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-05-08/as-ufc-pushes-may-mma-event-fighters-say-deals-are-getting-worse https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-05-08/as-ufc-pu...
dfxm12 6y ago
Not exactly. MMA governing bodies could revoke licenses from fighters, refs, doctors, etc. participating in events on the island if things aren't up to spec. The threat of never being able to work in Nevada again would be enough of a deterrent, for example, to make everyone involved keep things on the up and up.
- itsoktocry 6y ago
  >MMA governing bodies could revoke licenses from fighters, refs, doctors, etc. participating in events on the island if things aren't up to spec. The governing bodies are utterly toothless. What would be the point of "banning" anyone involved with the world's premier MMA organization? Then they'd have no work to do, and no purpose. Nevada needs the UFC more than the UFC needs Nevada. Remember, MMA was banned in New York state for a long time, so the UFC held events elsewhere. Who loses then? It's a weird captured relationship.

I wonder what the international (or national) law would be if UFC did take over an island somewhere. They could pretty much do whatever they wanted, unless the jurisdiction interceded.

jcranmer 6y ago

I'm not sure there are any islands in existence today that are outside of some sovereign state's territorial jurisdiction.

wincy 6y ago
And if you try to create one you’re gonna get a reality check really quick when you allegedly threaten the sovereignty of some nation state like those seasteading people did.
_trampeltier 6y ago
How about just about to make your own island in international water?
- jcranmer 6y ago
  UNCLOS says that any artificial islands within the exclusive economic zone of a country are subject to that country. This means in practice that you'd have to build an island that's not on a continental shelf... good luck with that.
  - nexuist 6y ago
    What about a really, really big oil rig?
    - CyberDildonics 6y ago
      I don't know if you would even need a big one. There are definitely shipping container ships that have huge decks that are more than enough space. I think if you have a decent margin around a helicopter pad you might even be able fit the octagon, cameras, corners and judges.
chromaton 6y ago
In the Antarctic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_nullius#Current_claims_of_terra_nullius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_nullius#Current_claims_o...

antoncohen 6y ago

The UFC does put on events in places without fighting regulations. For context, in most of the locations the UFC puts on events (fights) there are government regulation around combat sports, where a government commission sets the rules, and provides judges and referees. When the UFC puts on events in unregulated locations they act as their own commission, following the rules of the Nevada commission or the rules of Association of Boxing Commissions (ABC). They hire experienced judges and licensed referees that would normally be used in regulated places like Nevada. The UFC already contracts out to the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) to do what is basically olympic level drug testing of all their athletes. There are unified rules for MMA, set by the ABC. The UFC very much wants to be legit and legal, so "whatever they want" will be following established rules and regulations.

dclusin 6y ago
Bloomberg has a great article explaining this in more detail and the history of the UFC: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-05-08/as-ufc-pushes-may-mma-event-fighters-say-deals-are-getting-worse https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-05-08/as-ufc-pu...

dfxm12 6y ago

Not exactly. MMA governing bodies could revoke licenses from fighters, refs, doctors, etc. participating in events on the island if things aren't up to spec. The threat of never being able to work in Nevada again would be enough of a deterrent, for example, to make everyone involved keep things on the up and up.

itsoktocry 6y ago
>MMA governing bodies could revoke licenses from fighters, refs, doctors, etc. participating in events on the island if things aren't up to spec. The governing bodies are utterly toothless. What would be the point of "banning" anyone involved with the world's premier MMA organization? Then they'd have no work to do, and no purpose. Nevada needs the UFC more than the UFC needs Nevada. Remember, MMA was banned in New York state for a long time, so the UFC held events elsewhere. Who loses then? It's a weird captured relationship.