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It doesn’t affect the same receptors as “classic” psychedelics (LSD, DMT, Mescaline) but dissociatives aka dissociative psychedelics are wildly psychedelic at h

It doesn’t affect the same receptors as “classic” psychedelics (LSD, DMT, Mescaline) but dissociatives aka dissociative psychedelics are wildly psychedelic at high doses. It seems ludicrous to insist otherwise. Is Salvinorin-A not a psychedelic?

WalterSear 6y ago
I have a prescription and take it every three days. A clinically effective intranasal dose is about as psychedelic as a couple of beers.
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bluntfang 6y ago
I think you have it a little backwards. IME, psychedelics give dissociative effects along with the psychedelic experience and the dissociative experience is solely dissociative on its own. I think there's a lot of confusion on what a psychedelic experience is and it gets confused with a hallucinogenic experience, which both classes of substance can offer.
- stallmanite 6y ago
  I’ve been following this stuff since the mid 90s and am familiar with the terminology. What do you assert is the difference between a psychedelic experience and a hallucinogenic experience then? Dissociative I agree only partially overlaps with psychedelic on a venn diagram but hallucinogen and psychedelic I understand as synonymous.
  - bluntfang 6y ago
    Hallucinations are pretty concretely defined, medically. Seeing stuff that isn't there. Hearing stuff that isn't there. Things moving when they aren't. For me, the psychedelic experience is more about the "Ah hah! we're all in this together! We're all the same thing! I've removed the veil and barriers I've built up all my life and can finally see clearly what it's All About." I'm sure it's different for others, but I don't experience that "oneness" or "connection" on dissociative. It feels like I am born again, free to be vulnerable and experience the world without the lenses that society and myself have placed over my eyes.
    - ricopags 6y ago
      I think the term there is "entheogenic" a la DMT: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ep4dxk/its-official-dmt-makes-you-believe-in-god https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ep4dxk/its-official-dmt-m...

WalterSear 6y ago

I have a prescription and take it every three days. A clinically effective intranasal dose is about as psychedelic as a couple of beers.

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bluntfang 6y ago

I think you have it a little backwards. IME, psychedelics give dissociative effects along with the psychedelic experience and the dissociative experience is solely dissociative on its own. I think there's a lot of confusion on what a psychedelic experience is and it gets confused with a hallucinogenic experience, which both classes of substance can offer.

stallmanite 6y ago
I’ve been following this stuff since the mid 90s and am familiar with the terminology. What do you assert is the difference between a psychedelic experience and a hallucinogenic experience then? Dissociative I agree only partially overlaps with psychedelic on a venn diagram but hallucinogen and psychedelic I understand as synonymous.
- bluntfang 6y ago
  Hallucinations are pretty concretely defined, medically. Seeing stuff that isn't there. Hearing stuff that isn't there. Things moving when they aren't. For me, the psychedelic experience is more about the "Ah hah! we're all in this together! We're all the same thing! I've removed the veil and barriers I've built up all my life and can finally see clearly what it's All About." I'm sure it's different for others, but I don't experience that "oneness" or "connection" on dissociative. It feels like I am born again, free to be vulnerable and experience the world without the lenses that society and myself have placed over my eyes.
  - ricopags 6y ago
    I think the term there is "entheogenic" a la DMT: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ep4dxk/its-official-dmt-makes-you-believe-in-god https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ep4dxk/its-official-dmt-m...