> What makes you think the newer tools are better than pip and virtualenv? I don't. Heck, maybe they are. I don't use them. My point is that rather than bei

> What makes you think the newer tools are better than pip and virtualenv? I don't. Heck, maybe they are. I don't use them. My point is that rather than being the beneficiary of Python's excellent abstraction powers, distribution et. al. is and has been a mess for decades. Here's a history of the sordid mess starting from 1998: "The distutils-sig dicussion list was created to discuss the development of distutils." https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/history/ https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/history/ FWIW, Since pip and virtualenv became relatively stable and "blessed" and PyPI has matured the only new thing I've tried is Anaconda. Unfortunately my main Python project right now uses Tkinter and the folks who make Anaconda have a circular dependency in their build system such that you need python to build Freetype so their Python/Tkinter/TCL/Tk has gruesomely-bad support for fonts, so my project looks like a potato. https://github.com/ContinuumIO/anaconda-issues/issues/6833 https://github.com/ContinuumIO/anaconda-issues/issues/6833 Someone has put in a PR to hopefully fix it, and-- ah! --it seems to have gotten some attention earlier today: https://github.com/conda-forge/tk-feedstock/pull/40 https://github.com/conda-forge/tk-feedstock/pull/40 Fingers crossed for great good! Anyhow, things are rough all over, eh?