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Do you feel similarly about the citizens of North Korea?

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spacephysics 6y ago
That’s a poor comparison, Hong Kong and North Korea are vastly different circumstances. If we’re looking at human rights violations (North Korea), then the world stage should be involved, not a singular country. The Hong Kong circumstance isn’t a human rights violation, more of a diplomacy incident. What about mass surveillance, isn’t that a human rights violation? I would like it to be, but if that were the case, there are few places in the world to go to. Sure China is most explicit and egregious, but we have to have international court rulings before we begin to condemn and sanction based off surveillance (with many participating countries being hypocritical to an anti-surveillance ruling)
- danielrpa 6y ago
  "Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people," This is in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Imposing a dictatorship on free people is a violation of human rights. https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
phkahler 6y ago
Not really the same situation in NK. But also the U.S. became what it is through standing up to the Brits. This goes for people too, at some point we all need to stand on our own. The U.S. isn't the worlds parent to run home to.
- dx87 6y ago
  The Brits were also on the other side of the ocean, and we had substantial military support from the French. Things probably would have turned out differently if the UK could literally drive down the road to the colonies.
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
    Ireland provides a good example. There were many Irish rebellions in the period from 1676 to 1876 (+- 100 years of American Revolution) some even with French support. However, Ireland was in England’s back yard and the English were determined to hold onto it and all the rebellions were brutally suppressed.
  - mcfly1985 6y ago
    You act like the American revolution is the only instance of this. The French Revolution is another example of people fighting for change.

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That’s a poor comparison, Hong Kong and North Korea are vastly different circumstances. If we’re looking at human rights violations (North Korea), then the world stage should be involved, not a singular country. The Hong Kong circumstance isn’t a human rights violation, more of a diplomacy incident. What about mass surveillance, isn’t that a human rights violation? I would like it to be, but if that were the case, there are few places in the world to go to. Sure China is most explicit and egregious, but we have to have international court rulings before we begin to condemn and sanction based off surveillance (with many participating countries being hypocritical to an anti-surveillance ruling)

danielrpa 6y ago
"Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people," This is in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Imposing a dictatorship on free people is a violation of human rights. https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

phkahler 6y ago

Not really the same situation in NK. But also the U.S. became what it is through standing up to the Brits. This goes for people too, at some point we all need to stand on our own. The U.S. isn't the worlds parent to run home to.

dx87 6y ago
The Brits were also on the other side of the ocean, and we had substantial military support from the French. Things probably would have turned out differently if the UK could literally drive down the road to the colonies.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 6y ago
  Ireland provides a good example. There were many Irish rebellions in the period from 1676 to 1876 (+- 100 years of American Revolution) some even with French support. However, Ireland was in England’s back yard and the English were determined to hold onto it and all the rebellions were brutally suppressed.
- mcfly1985 6y ago
  You act like the American revolution is the only instance of this. The French Revolution is another example of people fighting for change.