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Visiblity of fact-checking is within Twitter's private domain to control. It could be a separate post, shown above everyone else's. It makes little sense to mak

by loopz 6y ago

Visiblity of fact-checking is within Twitter's private domain to control. It could be a separate post, shown above everyone else's. It makes little sense to make special laws micro-managing technical designs of private platforms. That someone blatantly bullies people and lies on such a platform, would get anyone else banned or at least posts moderated. Lying/deception, defamation and "hate" speech is not protected speech. Some of it may even be punishable by Law. Twitter still has the option to ban the president. This is not censorship either. Prudent moderation is being performed daily on many social platforms. Maybe it is time to review the power of social media platforms (so I do see your point). Though, I suspect a prudent review would end unfavourably for bullies, trolls and liars, at the very least for unprotected speech and especially speech violating established Law.

shripadk 6y ago
> That someone blatantly bullies people and lies on such a platform, would get anyone else banned or at least posts moderated Exactly. So Twitter should have shown it has the balls and banned Trump "just like everyone else". It had the policy backing it up. It wouldn't have caused Twitter to be dragged into this controversy of becoming a biased publisher instead of a neutral platform. > Lying/deception, defamation and "hate" speech is not protected speech. Some of it may even be punishable by Law. Yes it is. But Twitter is not the Judge, Jury or Executioner. You have the courts for it. > Twitter still has the option to ban the president. This is not censorship either. Prudent moderation is being performed daily on many social platforms. Nope. That doesn't cut it. Your hatred for Trump cannot be a justification for misuse of power by Twitter. If Twitter tries to be an arbiter then it loses the ability to call itself a platform. It can either allow/disallow posts. It cannot decide to add to/edit/remove the post in question. This makes it an editorial/publisher and no longer a platform. You may think both are the same thing. Both are "moderation". Nope. Imagine you are in a debate and you are the "moderator" of the debate. You have these rights: allow the speakers to speak when their turn comes, disallow speakers from speaking about certain topics. If the debate goes South you have every option to stop the debate. You can kick out a speaker if you feel the speaker is not adhering to the rules. All this is valid and is part of "moderation" as the speakers have come on your "platform". But just because they are on your "platform" does not mean you have acquired rights over them. They are still individual entities. Now imagine if you are a "biased" moderator. You do not like a speakers point and you decide to add to/edit/change it. But you do not want the speaker to stop talking (lest you be accused of bias) so you instead take a sticky note, write down your counter opinion and attach it to the speakers forehead. Would the speaker be okay with that? Now that is invading that speaker's personal space. Just because you are a moderator you do not get to own the speaker or add to/edit/change his words. You can ask the speaker to leave (or ban) which is perfectly within your right. But you cannot have a notice stuck to his opinion. Then you are not a platform. An editorial does precisely that: edits out the bad parts, fixes the language, makes it better for consumption, fact checks, ensures that it isn't held liable for any wrong doings and then and only then will it allow the content to be published.
- loopz 6y ago
  My guess is: The problem for an American company banning the president would be they now need to establish same rules for everyone, thus banning most modern opportunists and even some loudmouth influencers. Politically, they'd need to ban most politicians, leading next to just outright banning all political speech. Twitter as a private entity is free to do so with their own platform. However, there's no way to avoid a slippery slope if the company's platform policies start getting entangled into politics. Since the company can never "win" this way or avoid suicide, they choose to do what they can as mandated to combat fake news while trying to stay neutral. You can be sure they have an army of legal specialists behind them on this approach. Btw, calling out a bully and liar to be a bully and a liar, is not "hatred", when it can be so easily documented.
- mcphage 6y ago
  > So Twitter should have shown it has the balls and banned Trump "just like everyone else". It had the policy backing it up. It wouldn't have caused Twitter to be dragged into this controversy of becoming a biased publisher instead of a neutral platform. It would have caused Twitter to be dragged into a much bigger controversy instead. Which you're right, they probably should, but have so far proven afraid to do so.

by loopz 6y ago

shripadk 6y ago

> That someone blatantly bullies people and lies on such a platform, would get anyone else banned or at least posts moderated Exactly. So Twitter should have shown it has the balls and banned Trump "just like everyone else". It had the policy backing it up. It wouldn't have caused Twitter to be dragged into this controversy of becoming a biased publisher instead of a neutral platform. > Lying/deception, defamation and "hate" speech is not protected speech. Some of it may even be punishable by Law. Yes it is. But Twitter is not the Judge, Jury or Executioner. You have the courts for it. > Twitter still has the option to ban the president. This is not censorship either. Prudent moderation is being performed daily on many social platforms. Nope. That doesn't cut it. Your hatred for Trump cannot be a justification for misuse of power by Twitter. If Twitter tries to be an arbiter then it loses the ability to call itself a platform. It can either allow/disallow posts. It cannot decide to add to/edit/remove the post in question. This makes it an editorial/publisher and no longer a platform. You may think both are the same thing. Both are "moderation". Nope. Imagine you are in a debate and you are the "moderator" of the debate. You have these rights: allow the speakers to speak when their turn comes, disallow speakers from speaking about certain topics. If the debate goes South you have every option to stop the debate. You can kick out a speaker if you feel the speaker is not adhering to the rules. All this is valid and is part of "moderation" as the speakers have come on your "platform". But just because they are on your "platform" does not mean you have acquired rights over them. They are still individual entities. Now imagine if you are a "biased" moderator. You do not like a speakers point and you decide to add to/edit/change it. But you do not want the speaker to stop talking (lest you be accused of bias) so you instead take a sticky note, write down your counter opinion and attach it to the speakers forehead. Would the speaker be okay with that? Now that is invading that speaker's personal space. Just because you are a moderator you do not get to own the speaker or add to/edit/change his words. You can ask the speaker to leave (or ban) which is perfectly within your right. But you cannot have a notice stuck to his opinion. Then you are not a platform. An editorial does precisely that: edits out the bad parts, fixes the language, makes it better for consumption, fact checks, ensures that it isn't held liable for any wrong doings and then and only then will it allow the content to be published.

loopz 6y ago
My guess is: The problem for an American company banning the president would be they now need to establish same rules for everyone, thus banning most modern opportunists and even some loudmouth influencers. Politically, they'd need to ban most politicians, leading next to just outright banning all political speech. Twitter as a private entity is free to do so with their own platform. However, there's no way to avoid a slippery slope if the company's platform policies start getting entangled into politics. Since the company can never "win" this way or avoid suicide, they choose to do what they can as mandated to combat fake news while trying to stay neutral. You can be sure they have an army of legal specialists behind them on this approach. Btw, calling out a bully and liar to be a bully and a liar, is not "hatred", when it can be so easily documented.
mcphage 6y ago
> So Twitter should have shown it has the balls and banned Trump "just like everyone else". It had the policy backing it up. It wouldn't have caused Twitter to be dragged into this controversy of becoming a biased publisher instead of a neutral platform. It would have caused Twitter to be dragged into a much bigger controversy instead. Which you're right, they probably should, but have so far proven afraid to do so.