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IANAL, but this seems reasonable and similar to what e.g. Germany is already practising: if you assume responsibility of your users' content by verifying/correc

IANAL, but this seems reasonable and similar to what e.g. Germany is already practising: if you assume responsibility of your users' content by verifying/correcting it, you are held liable. For example, portals that collect user reviews and check whether they are complete and correct: https://medien-internet-und-recht.de/volltext.php?mir_dok_id=2820 https://medien-internet-und-recht.de/volltext.php?mir_dok_id... (German).

grumple 6y ago
It’s not reasonable in context, which is as a temper tantrum resulting from having a fact check posted alongside Trump’s blatant lies. The content wasn’t edited and taking responsibility for the speech of others is absurd.
- syshum 6y ago
  >>resulting from having a fact check posted Except for the Fact 1. It was on opinion not a statement of fact that needed fact checking 2. Twitter supports directly an opposing opinion 3. The "Fact Check" organizations linked are provably bias and are not fact check organizations 4. The links went to opposing opinion pieces not a statement of fact
  - grumple 6y ago
    Let's take a look at the tweets in question: > There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed. The Governor of California is sending Ballots to millions of people, anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there, will get one. That will be followed up with professionals telling all of these people, many of whom have never even thought of voting before, how, and for whom, to vote. This will be a Rigged Election. No way! This composed two tweets. It's from an authority figure (granted, one known to be extremely untrustworthy). There are many statements of "fact", or what any reasonable reader would take as assertions of fact. Sentence one: > There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. This is clearly a statement of fact. It's asserting (and context is important here, because Trump has repeatedly said mail in voting is rife with fraud) that mail-in voting is rife with fraud. Even a charitable interpretation would have to see this as intended to degrade trust in our voting system (to what end?) and discourage voting. If I say "The sun will rise tomorrow", it's a statement of fact, even though it's about the future. > Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed. Again, this is a statement of fact. There is no qualifying clause to make this opinion, such as "I believe", or "I think". > The Governor of California is sending Ballots to millions of people, anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there, will get one. Another statement of fact, this one clearly about the present. > That will be followed up with professionals telling all of these people, many of whom have never even thought of voting before, how, and for whom, to vote. Statement of fact. > This will be a Rigged Election. Again, a statement of fact. That's five lies in 6 sentences. Now let's look at the Fact Check link - it goes here: https://twitter.com/i/events/1265330601034256384 https://twitter.com/i/events/1265330601034256384 This is a feed leading to many articles from many sources about the matter in question.
    - swamp40 6y ago
      * >> That's five lies in 6 sentences.* Zero lies in 6 sentences, says I.
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    - syshum 6y ago
      You might want to check the news Coming out of NJ as it seems there is a massive Mail In Vote fraud scandal being uncovered https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/nj-naacp-leader-calls-for-paterson-mail-in-vote-to-be-canceled-amid-fraud-claims/2435162/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/nj-naacp-leader-cal... https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/corruption-allegations-keep-growing-in-paterson-vote-by-mail-election/2416111/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/corruption-allegations...

grumple 6y ago

It’s not reasonable in context, which is as a temper tantrum resulting from having a fact check posted alongside Trump’s blatant lies. The content wasn’t edited and taking responsibility for the speech of others is absurd.

syshum 6y ago
>>resulting from having a fact check posted Except for the Fact 1. It was on opinion not a statement of fact that needed fact checking 2. Twitter supports directly an opposing opinion 3. The "Fact Check" organizations linked are provably bias and are not fact check organizations 4. The links went to opposing opinion pieces not a statement of fact
- grumple 6y ago
  Let's take a look at the tweets in question: > There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed. The Governor of California is sending Ballots to millions of people, anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there, will get one. That will be followed up with professionals telling all of these people, many of whom have never even thought of voting before, how, and for whom, to vote. This will be a Rigged Election. No way! This composed two tweets. It's from an authority figure (granted, one known to be extremely untrustworthy). There are many statements of "fact", or what any reasonable reader would take as assertions of fact. Sentence one: > There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. This is clearly a statement of fact. It's asserting (and context is important here, because Trump has repeatedly said mail in voting is rife with fraud) that mail-in voting is rife with fraud. Even a charitable interpretation would have to see this as intended to degrade trust in our voting system (to what end?) and discourage voting. If I say "The sun will rise tomorrow", it's a statement of fact, even though it's about the future. > Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed. Again, this is a statement of fact. There is no qualifying clause to make this opinion, such as "I believe", or "I think". > The Governor of California is sending Ballots to millions of people, anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there, will get one. Another statement of fact, this one clearly about the present. > That will be followed up with professionals telling all of these people, many of whom have never even thought of voting before, how, and for whom, to vote. Statement of fact. > This will be a Rigged Election. Again, a statement of fact. That's five lies in 6 sentences. Now let's look at the Fact Check link - it goes here: https://twitter.com/i/events/1265330601034256384 https://twitter.com/i/events/1265330601034256384 This is a feed leading to many articles from many sources about the matter in question.
  - swamp40 6y ago
    * >> That's five lies in 6 sentences.* Zero lies in 6 sentences, says I.
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  - syshum 6y ago
    You might want to check the news Coming out of NJ as it seems there is a massive Mail In Vote fraud scandal being uncovered https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/nj-naacp-leader-calls-for-paterson-mail-in-vote-to-be-canceled-amid-fraud-claims/2435162/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/nj-naacp-leader-cal... https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/corruption-allegations-keep-growing-in-paterson-vote-by-mail-election/2416111/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/corruption-allegations...