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i'm a man, and I wonder what "I'm a woman" has to do with in that title?

by VladRussian 16y ago

bensummers 16y ago
The comment she got from an "entrepreneur", and being part of a husband and wife team?
- VladRussian 16y ago
  >A young, but influential, entrepreneur I talked with remarked that I was probably “only interested in doing a startup to be supportive of my husband.” That comment is equally applicable to the other husband in the 2-husbands homosexual marriage configuration. Why she decided that it was about her female physiology and not about her being a part of a marriage?
  - scott_s 16y ago
    Heterosexual couples have a stereotype of the husband as driver and wife as supporter. Given that stereotype, I think she made a reasonable assumption.
    - VladRussian 16y ago
      so she chose to assume that the guy was stereotyping while other interpretations were available. That exactly my point - she saw things she was inclined to see.
      - scott_s 16y ago
        After a point, all communication relies on assumed prior understandings. The question becomes if those assumptions are reasonable or not. I think hers were.
        VladRussian 16y ago
        >The question becomes if those assumptions are reasonable or not. There is no question here - her assumption is reasonable based on the stereotype she has. There is absolutely no evidence that the guy shared her stereotype.
        scott_s 16y ago
        Direct evidence from him, no. But I think it's a reasonable assumption given that it's a stereotype in our culture. If I swapped the genders, then his question sounds completely out-of-place to me. I'm willing to assume that it is sexism because the mental-model I think a person would have to have for it to not be sexism seems less likely. One could, of course, just ask the person what they meant, but we weren't privy to the actual conversation to know if she did.
        VladRussian 16y ago
        > the mental-model I think a person would have to have for it to not be sexism seems less likely. well, nice definition of a stereotype.
  - bethling 16y ago
    But I really don't think you'd see it applied there, and if you did it would most likely in the homophobic/sexist way that one is the wife, and their role is to support the "husband". It's one of the underpinnings of what some (and thankfully fewer and fewer) people think of marriage - that it is a union of a man and his wife, rather than that of two equals.
    - VladRussian 16y ago
      >most likely in the homophobic/sexist way that one is the wife, and their role is to support the "husband". a guy would share his life with another guy. Based on that i see it is a natural to assign higher probability to the event that "the guy would also like to support his husband by sharing the business venture of the husband" - and you call this assignment of the higher probability as "homophobic/sexist"?
pavel_lishin 16y ago
It makes more sense in context of the lengthy post. I think the tl;dr is "sexism still exists".
- VladRussian 16y ago
  >"sexism still exists" to me it "she is still able to see sexism when she intends to do so". For example, if i wanted, I could also see sexism in the respect for me at the worksplace - "they respect me because i'm a man!"
  - pavel_lishin 16y ago
    You would be able to see sexism in the workplace is a coworker explicitly came up to you and said, "you only work here because you want to support your wife!" Serious question: did you read the post?
    - VladRussian 16y ago
      >"you only work here because you want to support your wife!" that pretty much true. That is my point - if i wanted to see sexism i'd see it in everything i choose to. >Serious question: did you read the post? yep, and i'm trying to reclaim the wasted time by voicing my disagreement with that promotion of sexists stereotypes
      - pavel_lishin 16y ago
        I dunno, "you, WOMAN, only doing X because your HUSBAND is" is pretty sexist. Explicitly so. But whatevs, time spent is time wasted.
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i'm a man, and I wonder what "I'm a woman" has to do with in that title?

bensummers 16y ago

The comment she got from an "entrepreneur", and being part of a husband and wife team?

VladRussian 16y ago
>A young, but influential, entrepreneur I talked with remarked that I was probably “only interested in doing a startup to be supportive of my husband.” That comment is equally applicable to the other husband in the 2-husbands homosexual marriage configuration. Why she decided that it was about her female physiology and not about her being a part of a marriage?
- scott_s 16y ago
  Heterosexual couples have a stereotype of the husband as driver and wife as supporter. Given that stereotype, I think she made a reasonable assumption.
  - VladRussian 16y ago
    so she chose to assume that the guy was stereotyping while other interpretations were available. That exactly my point - she saw things she was inclined to see.
    - scott_s 16y ago
      After a point, all communication relies on assumed prior understandings. The question becomes if those assumptions are reasonable or not. I think hers were.
      - VladRussian 16y ago
        >The question becomes if those assumptions are reasonable or not. There is no question here - her assumption is reasonable based on the stereotype she has. There is absolutely no evidence that the guy shared her stereotype.
        scott_s 16y ago
        Direct evidence from him, no. But I think it's a reasonable assumption given that it's a stereotype in our culture. If I swapped the genders, then his question sounds completely out-of-place to me. I'm willing to assume that it is sexism because the mental-model I think a person would have to have for it to not be sexism seems less likely. One could, of course, just ask the person what they meant, but we weren't privy to the actual conversation to know if she did.
        VladRussian 16y ago
        > the mental-model I think a person would have to have for it to not be sexism seems less likely. well, nice definition of a stereotype.
- bethling 16y ago
  But I really don't think you'd see it applied there, and if you did it would most likely in the homophobic/sexist way that one is the wife, and their role is to support the "husband". It's one of the underpinnings of what some (and thankfully fewer and fewer) people think of marriage - that it is a union of a man and his wife, rather than that of two equals.
  - VladRussian 16y ago
    >most likely in the homophobic/sexist way that one is the wife, and their role is to support the "husband". a guy would share his life with another guy. Based on that i see it is a natural to assign higher probability to the event that "the guy would also like to support his husband by sharing the business venture of the husband" - and you call this assignment of the higher probability as "homophobic/sexist"?

pavel_lishin 16y ago

It makes more sense in context of the lengthy post. I think the tl;dr is "sexism still exists".

VladRussian 16y ago
>"sexism still exists" to me it "she is still able to see sexism when she intends to do so". For example, if i wanted, I could also see sexism in the respect for me at the worksplace - "they respect me because i'm a man!"
- pavel_lishin 16y ago
  You would be able to see sexism in the workplace is a coworker explicitly came up to you and said, "you only work here because you want to support your wife!" Serious question: did you read the post?
  - VladRussian 16y ago
    >"you only work here because you want to support your wife!" that pretty much true. That is my point - if i wanted to see sexism i'd see it in everything i choose to. >Serious question: did you read the post? yep, and i'm trying to reclaim the wasted time by voicing my disagreement with that promotion of sexists stereotypes
    - pavel_lishin 16y ago
      I dunno, "you, WOMAN, only doing X because your HUSBAND is" is pretty sexist. Explicitly so. But whatevs, time spent is time wasted.

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