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> A fundamental truth I don't think anybody who does appsec assessments professionally can escape: multiple audits of the same target will turn up different bug
by AmericanChopper 6y ago
> A fundamental truth I don't think anybody who does appsec assessments professionally can escape: multiple audits of the same target will turn up different bugs.
I completely agree with this.
> I watched it happen, several times
I don’t doubt you have, but this is anecdata. I wouldn’t want to draw any conclusions from this, especially because it conflicts with a lot of my own anecdata.
Auditing/security testing is something you could infinitely devote incrementally more budget to, and infinitely receive incremental returns from. While I question it provides as much benefit as you’re describing, it can certainly provide a benefit. My issue with it is that, in my experience, it has always had a bad RoI. The resources that you have to devote to dealing with the spam make extracting any value from bounty programs a very expensive exercise. I’ve personally seen people devoting more than one day a week to managing bounty programs that they were lucky to get one good report per year out of. Imagine how much more value they could have gotten from having a security engineer spending a full day per week threat modeling with the product engineers.
Perhaps the ROI is different if your department is over-funded, or if you have a big brand that people want to write self-promotion blogs about. But any time I hear a security professional parroting the importance of bug bounty programs, the cynic in my wonders whether they’re just looking for some low-skill busy work for themselves.
- tptacek 6y agoI think we'd have to struggle to find a clear debate between the two of us. I just wanted to make the point that people run bounty programs because they do in fact turn up black swan bugs, even after the repeated pentests that most of these firms have already engaged.