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Can you point to any false fact-checks?

by croon 6y ago

m0zg 6y ago
I can easily point out the lack of fact checks on statements made by people from the "correct" side of the political spectrum. Charlottesville hoax is spoken of as a fact by the likes of Joe Biden, for example.
- croon 6y ago
  I have no idea what "Charlottesville hoax" is, but googling it leads me to a book by an author I can't find any information on, claiming that the Charlottesville riots didn't actually happen. I¨m hoping you are not suggesting the same? If so, we¨re not even operating in the same reality.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    It's unbelievable how much the US populace has been gaslit by liberal media if you _still_ don't know it. This refers to "fine people on both sides" comment deliberately taken out of context. Here's what Trump actually said: "So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly." Direct quote, you can easily find a full transcript and see for yourself. Yet you didn't even know this existed. You're being lied to every day and you don't even know it.
    - croon 6y ago
      > It's unbelievable how much the US populace has been gaslit by liberal media if you _still_ don't know it. This refers to "fine people on both sides" comment deliberately taken out of context. > Direct quote, you can easily find a full transcript and see for yourself. Yet you didn't even know this existed. You're being lied to every day and you don't even know it. You are assuming I'm being misled because I¨m not up to date on the latest "controversy" to hit PragerU. I watched the whole press briefing when it happened, I'm very aware of what Trump said. And your direct quote is as much a direct quote as that which you suggest was unfair. Both are low on context. The problem (in full context) was his multiple use of "both sides" referring to both good people as well as bad. Whether he explicitly referred to neo-nazis or not is trying to divert the focus away from the fact that only people on one side was killed, only people on one side the night before chanted "jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil", and only people on one side were sporting a flag that symbolizes slavery. I'm not glossing over the fact that there were violence on the other side, as there always will be. But what the narrative cast by "charlottesville hoax" is sidestepping is that one side wouldn't be there if there wasn't for the need to stand up to (some portion) literal nazis. Repeatedly uttering the words "both/all sides" in any context at that press conference is indefensible.
    - augustt 6y ago
      What a hill to die on. You know who organized the protest? An actual neo-Nazi. This imaginary group of people who were marching alongside Nazis but weren't Nazis doesn't exist. And did you forget that the context for the outrage over "both sides" was that a white supremacist KILLED a counter protester? Not only was it an incredibly wrong thing to say, just from an optics point of view it was mind-bogglingly stupid. And as a note, every single time someone cries out because a quote of his is "taken out of context", the full context is just as damning. It's not the gotcha moment you think it is.
      - m0zg 6y ago
        Classic topic switching technique that nonetheless does not work on those paying attention. The issue being discussed here is the deliberate use of factually incorrect information by Joe Biden, with no "fact checks" of any kind. But you know that already. Same with "Steele dossier". I bet you totally believe it's factual, or even if you don't, you'll pretend that it is, for political reasons.
        croon 6y ago
        > Classic topic switching technique that nonetheless does not work on those paying attention. > Same with "Steele dossier" I have trouble taking seriously this amount of irony.
        RonaldRaygun 6y ago
        Maybe he just believes, as I do, that if you're marching down the street with a bunch of people carrying swastikas and chanting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us", and you don't do what any rational, caring person would do and immediately realize you're at a white nationalist rally and disassociate yourself, then guess what? You're not a "very fine person", you're a white nationalist, or at the very least, a sympathizer. It's really not complex or confusing at all.

Can you point to any false fact-checks?

by croon 6y ago

Can you point to any false fact-checks?

m0zg 6y ago

I can easily point out the lack of fact checks on statements made by people from the "correct" side of the political spectrum. Charlottesville hoax is spoken of as a fact by the likes of Joe Biden, for example.

croon 6y ago
I have no idea what "Charlottesville hoax" is, but googling it leads me to a book by an author I can't find any information on, claiming that the Charlottesville riots didn't actually happen. I¨m hoping you are not suggesting the same? If so, we¨re not even operating in the same reality.
- m0zg 6y ago
  It's unbelievable how much the US populace has been gaslit by liberal media if you _still_ don't know it. This refers to "fine people on both sides" comment deliberately taken out of context. Here's what Trump actually said: "So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly." Direct quote, you can easily find a full transcript and see for yourself. Yet you didn't even know this existed. You're being lied to every day and you don't even know it.
  - croon 6y ago
    > It's unbelievable how much the US populace has been gaslit by liberal media if you _still_ don't know it. This refers to "fine people on both sides" comment deliberately taken out of context. > Direct quote, you can easily find a full transcript and see for yourself. Yet you didn't even know this existed. You're being lied to every day and you don't even know it. You are assuming I'm being misled because I¨m not up to date on the latest "controversy" to hit PragerU. I watched the whole press briefing when it happened, I'm very aware of what Trump said. And your direct quote is as much a direct quote as that which you suggest was unfair. Both are low on context. The problem (in full context) was his multiple use of "both sides" referring to both good people as well as bad. Whether he explicitly referred to neo-nazis or not is trying to divert the focus away from the fact that only people on one side was killed, only people on one side the night before chanted "jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil", and only people on one side were sporting a flag that symbolizes slavery. I'm not glossing over the fact that there were violence on the other side, as there always will be. But what the narrative cast by "charlottesville hoax" is sidestepping is that one side wouldn't be there if there wasn't for the need to stand up to (some portion) literal nazis. Repeatedly uttering the words "both/all sides" in any context at that press conference is indefensible.
  - augustt 6y ago
    What a hill to die on. You know who organized the protest? An actual neo-Nazi. This imaginary group of people who were marching alongside Nazis but weren't Nazis doesn't exist. And did you forget that the context for the outrage over "both sides" was that a white supremacist KILLED a counter protester? Not only was it an incredibly wrong thing to say, just from an optics point of view it was mind-bogglingly stupid. And as a note, every single time someone cries out because a quote of his is "taken out of context", the full context is just as damning. It's not the gotcha moment you think it is.
    - m0zg 6y ago
      Classic topic switching technique that nonetheless does not work on those paying attention. The issue being discussed here is the deliberate use of factually incorrect information by Joe Biden, with no "fact checks" of any kind. But you know that already. Same with "Steele dossier". I bet you totally believe it's factual, or even if you don't, you'll pretend that it is, for political reasons.
      - croon 6y ago
        > Classic topic switching technique that nonetheless does not work on those paying attention. > Same with "Steele dossier" I have trouble taking seriously this amount of irony.
      - RonaldRaygun 6y ago
        Maybe he just believes, as I do, that if you're marching down the street with a bunch of people carrying swastikas and chanting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us", and you don't do what any rational, caring person would do and immediately realize you're at a white nationalist rally and disassociate yourself, then guess what? You're not a "very fine person", you're a white nationalist, or at the very least, a sympathizer. It's really not complex or confusing at all.