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> That's frighteningly out of touch. Interesting how differently the same phrase can be perceived. Somebody would say it's a perfectly reasonable, well balance

by avmich 6y ago

> That's frighteningly out of touch. Interesting how differently the same phrase can be perceived. Somebody would say it's a perfectly reasonable, well balanced utterance, but there always will be someone else who thinks the opposite.

aspenmayer 6y ago
Disclosure: I'm white. Anybody who saw me would also assume I'm white. I don't have any special insight into being black, so these are just my opinions. That being said, I don't think Biden is of this era. He talks like my grandpa, who is 85 or so. Nothing wrong with being old; I love my grandpa, and likewise, I don't have any personal bad feelings toward Biden. Biden made the miscalculation that Trump is so bad, that it's tantamount to being a race traitor to not oppose him, actively and often. I honestly don't see how his statement could mean anything else. He's saying if you're African American and don't help defeat Trump in the election, you're an Uncle Tom.[1] It's my opinion and belief that this kind of equivocation is not good for reasoned debate or America. It's arguable that it's a good political strategy, but if you have to offend me and make me not like you to win, how is Biden any better than Trump? I happen to think that Biden would be better for America for Trump, but I also believe that Bernie Sanders would have been a better candidate than Biden. Any of the other former Democratic Presidential candidates would be better than Biden, in my opinion. He's just not "presidential" in the post-truth Trump era. He can't hack it. Trump thrives in this kind of chaos, and feeds off it. Biden appears lost and pleading, not compelling. He falls flat, which is a shame for all involved. America deserves better candidates. I blame the Democratic Party proper for delivering another win for the R's. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom#Epithet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom#Epithet
- ThrowawayR2 6y ago
  > "He's saying if you're African American and don't help defeat Trump in the election, you're an Uncle Tom. It's my opinion and belief that this kind of equivocation is not good for reasoned debate or America." And yet people here on HN say, unselfconsciously, "If only people would stop voting against their own interests" all the time, which is pretty much the same thing. Offensive though it is, it seems to be what he and a lot of his base are thinking.

by avmich 6y ago

aspenmayer 6y ago

Disclosure: I'm white. Anybody who saw me would also assume I'm white. I don't have any special insight into being black, so these are just my opinions. That being said, I don't think Biden is of this era. He talks like my grandpa, who is 85 or so. Nothing wrong with being old; I love my grandpa, and likewise, I don't have any personal bad feelings toward Biden. Biden made the miscalculation that Trump is so bad, that it's tantamount to being a race traitor to not oppose him, actively and often. I honestly don't see how his statement could mean anything else. He's saying if you're African American and don't help defeat Trump in the election, you're an Uncle Tom.[1] It's my opinion and belief that this kind of equivocation is not good for reasoned debate or America. It's arguable that it's a good political strategy, but if you have to offend me and make me not like you to win, how is Biden any better than Trump? I happen to think that Biden would be better for America for Trump, but I also believe that Bernie Sanders would have been a better candidate than Biden. Any of the other former Democratic Presidential candidates would be better than Biden, in my opinion. He's just not "presidential" in the post-truth Trump era. He can't hack it. Trump thrives in this kind of chaos, and feeds off it. Biden appears lost and pleading, not compelling. He falls flat, which is a shame for all involved. America deserves better candidates. I blame the Democratic Party proper for delivering another win for the R's. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom#Epithet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom#Epithet

ThrowawayR2 6y ago
> "He's saying if you're African American and don't help defeat Trump in the election, you're an Uncle Tom. It's my opinion and belief that this kind of equivocation is not good for reasoned debate or America." And yet people here on HN say, unselfconsciously, "If only people would stop voting against their own interests" all the time, which is pretty much the same thing. Offensive though it is, it seems to be what he and a lot of his base are thinking.