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No, I can point you to reading the books. If you're don't read books, I don't think this is a bridge you'll cross. And I'm sorry you find two respected profess

by wegs 6y ago

No, I can point you to reading the books. If you're don't read books, I don't think this is a bridge you'll cross. And I'm sorry you find two respected professors, one at NYU and one at Stanford, to be of dubious authenticity. I'm not quite sure where to go from there in the conversation. There are many individuals who find Pfeffer dubious, but de Mesquita is extremely highly regarded. I'm not going to share my background on the internet, but ex-CEO doesn't make you qualified to talk about much of anything. It depends on the organization. I've virtually never seen these sorts of dynamics at organizations below 100 people, and they don't become universal until around 1000-10,000 people. You need to reach a certain scale of competition before people start acting in ways which are game-theoretically optimal. If you have 10 people, it's easy to keep alignment on mission, vision, community, and business. If you have e.g. 10,000 people, and 1% are gunning for CEO, the only way to get to the top is to out-gun the other 99. That competition is what leads to these dynamics.

lazyjones 6y ago
> And I'm sorry you find two respected professors, one at NYU and one at Stanford, to be of dubious authenticity. Obvious straw man. I have no qualms with those professors, just with your claims about their books, which at least one summary contains no trace of. Should I read those books merely to verify your claims? I'm not so sure. > I've virtually never seen these sorts of dynamics at organizations below 100 people, and they don't become universal until around 1000-10,000 people So your initial claims don't apply to CEOs of corporations with less than 1000 people? Moving the goalpost much?
- wegs 6y ago
  Your username suggests you shouldn't read these books. You should skim notes about these books and write obnoxious posts based on those, claiming the person you're talking to is lying based on no evidence at all. Indeed, Dictator's Handbook has a nice summary someone posted in this thread. Your link wasn't even a summary, but someone's take-home notes for their own career. > So your initial claims don't apply to CEOs of corporations with less than 1000 people? Moving the goalpost much? That's where the goalposts started. They haven't moved an inch. The article was talking about Reed Hastings and Netflix. We were talking about publicly-traded companies with shareholders. "Power" talks about ... power. CEO of a 5-man shop isn't power. It talks about how people climb to the top of corporate ladders at big organizations, and the selection mechanism for who makes CEO. Dictator's Handbook is about big organizations too. It's a game-theoretic treatment. Obviously some context went over your head. Maybe that goes with digital communications, or maybe that goes with not being interested in longer texts, so much as in skimming summaries.
  - lazyjones 6y ago
    > The article was talking about Reed Hastings and Netflix. We were talking about publicly-traded companies with shareholders. You were writing about "most CEOs". Pardon me for taking you literally and/or seriously. > maybe that goes with not being interested in longer texts, so much as in skimming summaries. I'm very interested in worthwhile texts, just not based on recommendations by people making obviously false claims on the Internet.

by wegs 6y ago

lazyjones 6y ago

> And I'm sorry you find two respected professors, one at NYU and one at Stanford, to be of dubious authenticity. Obvious straw man. I have no qualms with those professors, just with your claims about their books, which at least one summary contains no trace of. Should I read those books merely to verify your claims? I'm not so sure. > I've virtually never seen these sorts of dynamics at organizations below 100 people, and they don't become universal until around 1000-10,000 people So your initial claims don't apply to CEOs of corporations with less than 1000 people? Moving the goalpost much?

wegs 6y ago
Your username suggests you shouldn't read these books. You should skim notes about these books and write obnoxious posts based on those, claiming the person you're talking to is lying based on no evidence at all. Indeed, Dictator's Handbook has a nice summary someone posted in this thread. Your link wasn't even a summary, but someone's take-home notes for their own career. > So your initial claims don't apply to CEOs of corporations with less than 1000 people? Moving the goalpost much? That's where the goalposts started. They haven't moved an inch. The article was talking about Reed Hastings and Netflix. We were talking about publicly-traded companies with shareholders. "Power" talks about ... power. CEO of a 5-man shop isn't power. It talks about how people climb to the top of corporate ladders at big organizations, and the selection mechanism for who makes CEO. Dictator's Handbook is about big organizations too. It's a game-theoretic treatment. Obviously some context went over your head. Maybe that goes with digital communications, or maybe that goes with not being interested in longer texts, so much as in skimming summaries.
- lazyjones 6y ago
  > The article was talking about Reed Hastings and Netflix. We were talking about publicly-traded companies with shareholders. You were writing about "most CEOs". Pardon me for taking you literally and/or seriously. > maybe that goes with not being interested in longer texts, so much as in skimming summaries. I'm very interested in worthwhile texts, just not based on recommendations by people making obviously false claims on the Internet.