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I’ve owned both high-end and middle-of-the-road computers and mobile devices from many manufacturers... they almost all suck in comparison to Apple’s products.

by jtdev 6y ago

I’ve owned both high-end and middle-of-the-road computers and mobile devices from many manufacturers... they almost all suck in comparison to Apple’s products. You don’t make revolutionary products by playing it safe - good design is about both form and function, as can be experienced with the vast majority of Apple’s current product offerings.

jimmaswell 6y ago
In any objective comparison, the competition blows Apple out of the water for features, specs, and user freedom at any given price point.
- jtdev 6y ago
  Please, elaborate with some examples.
  - jimmaswell 6y ago
    Let's compare the basic 16 inch Macbook Pro to some random gaming laptop I found on walmart.com. 16" vs 17.3" Processor: 4-core i7-4870HQ vs 6-core i7-9750H, MSI is much better https://technical.city/en/cpu/Core-i7-9750H-vs-Core-i7-4870HQ https://technical.city/en/cpu/Core-i7-9750H-vs-Core-i7-4870H... GPU: MSI's is better https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-Pro-5300M-vs-GeForce-GTX-1660-Ti-Max-Q-vs-Radeon-Pro-5500M_9968_9832_9966.247598.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-Pro-5300M-vs-GeForce-GT... Same RAM Same disk capacity, not sure if the MSI's is an SSD but that's less than $100 60Hz vs 144Hz So I'd be getting an all-around better laptop that doesn't need dongles for everything and gives you far more control over the system and runs far more programs for $900 less. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch https://www.walmart.com/ip/Laptop-NVIDIA-1660-i7-9750H-GTX-Intel-GeForce-6GB-Ti-rate-16GB-Leopard-17-3-In-plane-Core-MSI-SSD-GP75-144Hz-refresh-9th-i7-Switching-Technolo-512GB-/481783096 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Laptop-NVIDIA-1660-i7-9750H-GTX-I...
    - jtdev 6y ago
      Saying "MSI's is better" is not objective. If your objective reasoning for a device being better is "But this one goes to 11", then I'm not sure we're on the same page.
      - jimmaswell 6y ago
        What's your own argument then if measurable aspects don't matter?
    - edualm 6y ago
      Some of your facts are wrong. The basic 16-inch MacBook Pro has also an i7-9750H, not a years-old processor like you said. Additionally... the screen on the MacBook Pro is leaps above gaming laptops for working with photos and video - I know that, since I actually recommended one of those to a friend who wanted a laptop for some photo editing, and he ended up returning it because the colors on the screen were all wrong, and it didn't appear to be fixable. That's not to say that the MSI may not be a better deal... But you can't just compare the specs you said, there's more at stake.
      - jimmaswell 6y ago
        Must have been an older model - I just googled "macbook i7" or something since Apple's page didn't mention it, but I should've noticed the cores. I forgot about resolution too but I've done this comparison a few times in the past with different laptops and always found better for the price point. Colors might be a good point here but I'm sure there are other laptops with good colors too.
        mercer 6y ago
        This illustrates pretty well one of the main reasons I switched to Apple years ago: I know what I'm getting and at least until keyboard-gate it did "just work". While it's true that I could get better-specced laptop, phone, bluetooth earbuds, and so one, I consistently run into two issues that I just don't have with Apple: 1) there's almost always something subpar about the product, that reviews didn't warn me against, and/or 2) I hate having to carefully select from a dizzying array of inter- and intra-company options, where often companies actively game the system (reviews) or try to up-sell. It's honestly somewhat astonishing how consistently I run into these issues when I buy a non-apple product, in particular laptops. Now of course being 'in' the ecosystem already also has a ton of benefits, and of course I can afford being a little less price-conscious. But it's absolutely not the case that I go for Apple because it's cool. Or because they market well.
- snazz 6y ago
  Objectively compare the performance of Apple's A-series CPUs and GPUs with the rest of the ARM market.
  - harpratap 6y ago
    An SoC is more than just a CPU & GPU. Until A13, Qualcomm was the undisputed leader of GPUs. They also make the best modems there is on any SoC. Apple has a clear lead only in CPU. Even in memory Android OEMs have caught up.
    - mercer 6y ago
      And yet my high-end Android phone is slower and jankier where it counts most to me: UI stuff. From what I've read this has to do with the Android OS, and things are getting better and better. but my point is that this sluggishness is or at least was just as 'objective', and to many of us ultimately much more important than raw specs. It's the same reason why I still willing to pay the Apple premium for laptops (although more and more begrudgingly so). I don't care about better raw specs when sleep mode still doesn't quite work, or the fans are unreasonably loud, or the trackpad sucks, and I haven't really cared about these things since I switched from my custom-built tower PC back in the day.
      - harpratap 6y ago
        > And yet my high-end Android phone is slower and jankier where it counts most to me: UI stuff. Has no relation to SoC. My Pixel 4 is noticeably smoother than iPhone 11 I tried. > It's the same reason why I still willing to pay the Apple premium for laptops (although more and more begrudgingly so). I don't care about better raw specs when sleep mode still doesn't quite work, or the fans are unreasonably loud, or the trackpad sucks, and I haven't really cared about these things since I switched from my custom-built tower PC back in the day. I am typing this on a $2000 i7 Macbook Pro 2017 running hot as a pipe. The same workload works a lot cooler on my $500 Ryzen 3500u laptop. The plastic is much comfortable to hold even when things get hotter compared to unbearable metal of Macbook. And don't even get me started on the Keyboard.

by jtdev 6y ago

jimmaswell 6y ago

In any objective comparison, the competition blows Apple out of the water for features, specs, and user freedom at any given price point.

jtdev 6y ago
Please, elaborate with some examples.
- jimmaswell 6y ago
  Let's compare the basic 16 inch Macbook Pro to some random gaming laptop I found on walmart.com. 16" vs 17.3" Processor: 4-core i7-4870HQ vs 6-core i7-9750H, MSI is much better https://technical.city/en/cpu/Core-i7-9750H-vs-Core-i7-4870HQ https://technical.city/en/cpu/Core-i7-9750H-vs-Core-i7-4870H... GPU: MSI's is better https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-Pro-5300M-vs-GeForce-GTX-1660-Ti-Max-Q-vs-Radeon-Pro-5500M_9968_9832_9966.247598.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Radeon-Pro-5300M-vs-GeForce-GT... Same RAM Same disk capacity, not sure if the MSI's is an SSD but that's less than $100 60Hz vs 144Hz So I'd be getting an all-around better laptop that doesn't need dongles for everything and gives you far more control over the system and runs far more programs for $900 less. https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/16-inch https://www.walmart.com/ip/Laptop-NVIDIA-1660-i7-9750H-GTX-Intel-GeForce-6GB-Ti-rate-16GB-Leopard-17-3-In-plane-Core-MSI-SSD-GP75-144Hz-refresh-9th-i7-Switching-Technolo-512GB-/481783096 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Laptop-NVIDIA-1660-i7-9750H-GTX-I...
  - jtdev 6y ago
    Saying "MSI's is better" is not objective. If your objective reasoning for a device being better is "But this one goes to 11", then I'm not sure we're on the same page.
    - jimmaswell 6y ago
      What's your own argument then if measurable aspects don't matter?
  - edualm 6y ago
    Some of your facts are wrong. The basic 16-inch MacBook Pro has also an i7-9750H, not a years-old processor like you said. Additionally... the screen on the MacBook Pro is leaps above gaming laptops for working with photos and video - I know that, since I actually recommended one of those to a friend who wanted a laptop for some photo editing, and he ended up returning it because the colors on the screen were all wrong, and it didn't appear to be fixable. That's not to say that the MSI may not be a better deal... But you can't just compare the specs you said, there's more at stake.
    - jimmaswell 6y ago
      Must have been an older model - I just googled "macbook i7" or something since Apple's page didn't mention it, but I should've noticed the cores. I forgot about resolution too but I've done this comparison a few times in the past with different laptops and always found better for the price point. Colors might be a good point here but I'm sure there are other laptops with good colors too.
      - mercer 6y ago
        This illustrates pretty well one of the main reasons I switched to Apple years ago: I know what I'm getting and at least until keyboard-gate it did "just work". While it's true that I could get better-specced laptop, phone, bluetooth earbuds, and so one, I consistently run into two issues that I just don't have with Apple: 1) there's almost always something subpar about the product, that reviews didn't warn me against, and/or 2) I hate having to carefully select from a dizzying array of inter- and intra-company options, where often companies actively game the system (reviews) or try to up-sell. It's honestly somewhat astonishing how consistently I run into these issues when I buy a non-apple product, in particular laptops. Now of course being 'in' the ecosystem already also has a ton of benefits, and of course I can afford being a little less price-conscious. But it's absolutely not the case that I go for Apple because it's cool. Or because they market well.
snazz 6y ago
Objectively compare the performance of Apple's A-series CPUs and GPUs with the rest of the ARM market.
- harpratap 6y ago
  An SoC is more than just a CPU & GPU. Until A13, Qualcomm was the undisputed leader of GPUs. They also make the best modems there is on any SoC. Apple has a clear lead only in CPU. Even in memory Android OEMs have caught up.
  - mercer 6y ago
    And yet my high-end Android phone is slower and jankier where it counts most to me: UI stuff. From what I've read this has to do with the Android OS, and things are getting better and better. but my point is that this sluggishness is or at least was just as 'objective', and to many of us ultimately much more important than raw specs. It's the same reason why I still willing to pay the Apple premium for laptops (although more and more begrudgingly so). I don't care about better raw specs when sleep mode still doesn't quite work, or the fans are unreasonably loud, or the trackpad sucks, and I haven't really cared about these things since I switched from my custom-built tower PC back in the day.
    - harpratap 6y ago
      > And yet my high-end Android phone is slower and jankier where it counts most to me: UI stuff. Has no relation to SoC. My Pixel 4 is noticeably smoother than iPhone 11 I tried. > It's the same reason why I still willing to pay the Apple premium for laptops (although more and more begrudgingly so). I don't care about better raw specs when sleep mode still doesn't quite work, or the fans are unreasonably loud, or the trackpad sucks, and I haven't really cared about these things since I switched from my custom-built tower PC back in the day. I am typing this on a $2000 i7 Macbook Pro 2017 running hot as a pipe. The same workload works a lot cooler on my $500 Ryzen 3500u laptop. The plastic is much comfortable to hold even when things get hotter compared to unbearable metal of Macbook. And don't even get me started on the Keyboard.