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> Hong Kong is lost. With that attitude it certainly is. Maybe if we had the balls to sanction China for its myriad of human rights violations, or you know do

> Hong Kong is lost. With that attitude it certainly is. Maybe if we had the balls to sanction China for its myriad of human rights violations, or you know do what we have 0 problems doing in the middle east, provide arms and training to resisting movement (but I guess we only have to balls to do that when the country poses no real military threat to us).

thebooktocome 6y ago
America's leadership isn't currently strong enough to project that much soft power, particularly as the current admin has been wantonly destroying any relationship we had with countries in the region opposed to China. (Japan is perhaps an exception, but they seem apathetic to HK in general.)
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  What countries? As far as I can tell, relations with Vietnam and Korea are quite good. Possibly historical highs with Vietnam.
  - remarkEon 6y ago
    What power projection does Vietnam do on the US' behalf in SEA? Any?
    - CapricornNoble 6y ago
      Potentially naval basing. https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/will-vietnam-lease-cam-ranh-bay-to-the-united-states/ https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/will-vietnam-lease-cam-ranh-...
1over137 6y ago
Sanctioning China would make all the thneeds we buy from them more expensive. Can't have that!
remarkEon 6y ago
What are you talking about. We've been levying tariffs against China in a carrot and stick approach for the last 3 years. We're basically extorting the rest of our NATO allies to block Huawei hardware from being used for 5G implementation. The US is currently trying to get their CFO extradited from Canada to stand trial for bank fraud. We continue to support Taiwan militarily, with arms sales and joint training opportunities and have been since the Cold War (the first one, that is). Looks like we're actually giving them Main Battle Tanks now for the first time ever, if this wikipedia page is to be believed.[1] I hear you, that I'd like a harder stance taken on China as well - but that probably means going after US companies that do business there. I'm fine with this, but it's a much harder pill to swallow for many. Otherwise your only option is overt military intervention in Hong Kong. And that doesn't seem worth it for Americans. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_arms_sales_to_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_arms_sales_to_Taiwa...
- thejynxed 6y ago
  Not just bank fraud, but physical theft of prototype equipment from a US research partner.

thebooktocome 6y ago

America's leadership isn't currently strong enough to project that much soft power, particularly as the current admin has been wantonly destroying any relationship we had with countries in the region opposed to China. (Japan is perhaps an exception, but they seem apathetic to HK in general.)

ceilingcorner 6y ago
What countries? As far as I can tell, relations with Vietnam and Korea are quite good. Possibly historical highs with Vietnam.
- remarkEon 6y ago
  What power projection does Vietnam do on the US' behalf in SEA? Any?
  - CapricornNoble 6y ago
    Potentially naval basing. https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/will-vietnam-lease-cam-ranh-bay-to-the-united-states/ https://thediplomat.com/2020/05/will-vietnam-lease-cam-ranh-...

1over137 6y ago

Sanctioning China would make all the thneeds we buy from them more expensive. Can't have that!

remarkEon 6y ago

What are you talking about. We've been levying tariffs against China in a carrot and stick approach for the last 3 years. We're basically extorting the rest of our NATO allies to block Huawei hardware from being used for 5G implementation. The US is currently trying to get their CFO extradited from Canada to stand trial for bank fraud. We continue to support Taiwan militarily, with arms sales and joint training opportunities and have been since the Cold War (the first one, that is). Looks like we're actually giving them Main Battle Tanks now for the first time ever, if this wikipedia page is to be believed.[1] I hear you, that I'd like a harder stance taken on China as well - but that probably means going after US companies that do business there. I'm fine with this, but it's a much harder pill to swallow for many. Otherwise your only option is overt military intervention in Hong Kong. And that doesn't seem worth it for Americans. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_arms_sales_to_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_arms_sales_to_Taiwa...

thejynxed 6y ago
Not just bank fraud, but physical theft of prototype equipment from a US research partner.