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You're telling me, an island, literally connected, to our greatest current world foe (sorry Russia), is geopolitically meaningless? You think Newsome would wou

You're telling me, an island, literally connected, to our greatest current world foe (sorry Russia), is geopolitically meaningless? You think Newsome would would be indifferent if China grabbed Catalina Island?

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> an island, literally connected, to our greatest current world foe (sorry Russia), is geopolitically meaningless? Strategically speaking, yes. Nobody is landing troops or planes on Hong Kong. And China's ability to project military power onto it is unconstrained, today, by non-diplomatic factors. Between leaving the population in place in hopes it makes Beijing's life more difficult, and offering them relief, the advantage--to the people and outsiders--seems heavily one sided. > You think Newsome would would be indifferent if China grabbed Catalina Island? Most Americans would be pissed if anyone grabbed any sliver of American territory. That doesn't make every inch of American territory high ground.
- inimino 6y ago
  Shipping, finance, and industry, man. Sure, asylum for anyone who wants it may be the right thing to do, but you can't seriously say that the geographical location of HK is meaningless, or that having a tiny outpost of liberalism as a check on the worst impulses of the mainland has no value and we should just airlift out half the population, can you?
  - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
    > you can't seriously say that the geographical location of HK is meaningless It's economically meaningful. But from a foreign policy or geopolitical perspective, strategically, it's not worth expending force over. > having a tiny outpost of liberalism as a check on the worst impulses of the mainland I'd prefer this too. But Beijing has made its intentions clear. Short of the U.S. deploying force to defend Britain's 1997 agreement, Hong Kong--as it exists today--has fallen.
    - CapricornNoble 6y ago
      >>>Hong Kong--as it exists today--has fallen. A Chinese invasion of HK would make a great setting for the next "Fallen" movie, if only Hollywood wasn't so busy sucking up to the CCP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_(film_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_(film_series)
- kerng 6y ago
  Hong kong is part of a giant pearl river delta which will become the largest economic region in the world when CCP plans work out. It has extreme powerful geopolitical meaning and value because of its location.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago

> an island, literally connected, to our greatest current world foe (sorry Russia), is geopolitically meaningless? Strategically speaking, yes. Nobody is landing troops or planes on Hong Kong. And China's ability to project military power onto it is unconstrained, today, by non-diplomatic factors. Between leaving the population in place in hopes it makes Beijing's life more difficult, and offering them relief, the advantage--to the people and outsiders--seems heavily one sided. > You think Newsome would would be indifferent if China grabbed Catalina Island? Most Americans would be pissed if anyone grabbed any sliver of American territory. That doesn't make every inch of American territory high ground.

inimino 6y ago
Shipping, finance, and industry, man. Sure, asylum for anyone who wants it may be the right thing to do, but you can't seriously say that the geographical location of HK is meaningless, or that having a tiny outpost of liberalism as a check on the worst impulses of the mainland has no value and we should just airlift out half the population, can you?
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > you can't seriously say that the geographical location of HK is meaningless It's economically meaningful. But from a foreign policy or geopolitical perspective, strategically, it's not worth expending force over. > having a tiny outpost of liberalism as a check on the worst impulses of the mainland I'd prefer this too. But Beijing has made its intentions clear. Short of the U.S. deploying force to defend Britain's 1997 agreement, Hong Kong--as it exists today--has fallen.
  - CapricornNoble 6y ago
    >>>Hong Kong--as it exists today--has fallen. A Chinese invasion of HK would make a great setting for the next "Fallen" movie, if only Hollywood wasn't so busy sucking up to the CCP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_(film_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_(film_series)
kerng 6y ago
Hong kong is part of a giant pearl river delta which will become the largest economic region in the world when CCP plans work out. It has extreme powerful geopolitical meaning and value because of its location.