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So Hong Kong is only filled with CPC supporters, which just further cements China's claim? At a certain point and time, Hong Kongers should be given political

So Hong Kong is only filled with CPC supporters, which just further cements China's claim? At a certain point and time, Hong Kongers should be given political asylum, but the standards should also apply to mainland and Tibetan residents.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> So Hong Kong is only filled with China supporters, which just further cements China's claim? From an American policy or geopolitical perspective, Hong Kong as an island is meaningless. Its people are its capital. > the standards should also apply to mainland and Tibetan residents Perfect is the enemy of good.
- CerealFounder 6y ago
  You're telling me, an island, literally connected, to our greatest current world foe (sorry Russia), is geopolitically meaningless? You think Newsome would would be indifferent if China grabbed Catalina Island?
  - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
    > an island, literally connected, to our greatest current world foe (sorry Russia), is geopolitically meaningless? Strategically speaking, yes. Nobody is landing troops or planes on Hong Kong. And China's ability to project military power onto it is unconstrained, today, by non-diplomatic factors. Between leaving the population in place in hopes it makes Beijing's life more difficult, and offering them relief, the advantage--to the people and outsiders--seems heavily one sided. > You think Newsome would would be indifferent if China grabbed Catalina Island? Most Americans would be pissed if anyone grabbed any sliver of American territory. That doesn't make every inch of American territory high ground.
    - inimino 6y ago
      Shipping, finance, and industry, man. Sure, asylum for anyone who wants it may be the right thing to do, but you can't seriously say that the geographical location of HK is meaningless, or that having a tiny outpost of liberalism as a check on the worst impulses of the mainland has no value and we should just airlift out half the population, can you?
      - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
        > you can't seriously say that the geographical location of HK is meaningless It's economically meaningful. But from a foreign policy or geopolitical perspective, strategically, it's not worth expending force over. > having a tiny outpost of liberalism as a check on the worst impulses of the mainland I'd prefer this too. But Beijing has made its intentions clear. Short of the U.S. deploying force to defend Britain's 1997 agreement, Hong Kong--as it exists today--has fallen.
        CapricornNoble 6y ago
        >>>Hong Kong--as it exists today--has fallen. A Chinese invasion of HK would make a great setting for the next "Fallen" movie, if only Hollywood wasn't so busy sucking up to the CCP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_(film_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_(film_series)
    - kerng 6y ago
      Hong kong is part of a giant pearl river delta which will become the largest economic region in the world when CCP plans work out. It has extreme powerful geopolitical meaning and value because of its location.
- eumenides1 6y ago
  My personal take for HK Citizens: Get out! You are not going to win against CCP in this scenario. They have bigger army diplomacy AND they don't have rule of law. Continue protesting, but figure away out, and Get out! By staying, you are helping the CCP. You work, spend, and play in HK, you are giving the CCP money and power to continue doing this to you. By leaving, you take value out of the equation. When people leave en masse. You can then form groups and communities elsewhere. Tell people of your plight, teach your kids the lessons you learned, and take on the CCP from a better position.
  - bubmiw 6y ago
    Majority of hk isn't pro ccp or protesters, just think one is slightly better than the other. Most prefer previous status quo. I would personally leave but most won't
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JumpCrisscross 6y ago

> So Hong Kong is only filled with China supporters, which just further cements China's claim? From an American policy or geopolitical perspective, Hong Kong as an island is meaningless. Its people are its capital. > the standards should also apply to mainland and Tibetan residents Perfect is the enemy of good.

CerealFounder 6y ago
You're telling me, an island, literally connected, to our greatest current world foe (sorry Russia), is geopolitically meaningless? You think Newsome would would be indifferent if China grabbed Catalina Island?
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > an island, literally connected, to our greatest current world foe (sorry Russia), is geopolitically meaningless? Strategically speaking, yes. Nobody is landing troops or planes on Hong Kong. And China's ability to project military power onto it is unconstrained, today, by non-diplomatic factors. Between leaving the population in place in hopes it makes Beijing's life more difficult, and offering them relief, the advantage--to the people and outsiders--seems heavily one sided. > You think Newsome would would be indifferent if China grabbed Catalina Island? Most Americans would be pissed if anyone grabbed any sliver of American territory. That doesn't make every inch of American territory high ground.
  - inimino 6y ago
    Shipping, finance, and industry, man. Sure, asylum for anyone who wants it may be the right thing to do, but you can't seriously say that the geographical location of HK is meaningless, or that having a tiny outpost of liberalism as a check on the worst impulses of the mainland has no value and we should just airlift out half the population, can you?
    - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
      > you can't seriously say that the geographical location of HK is meaningless It's economically meaningful. But from a foreign policy or geopolitical perspective, strategically, it's not worth expending force over. > having a tiny outpost of liberalism as a check on the worst impulses of the mainland I'd prefer this too. But Beijing has made its intentions clear. Short of the U.S. deploying force to defend Britain's 1997 agreement, Hong Kong--as it exists today--has fallen.
      - CapricornNoble 6y ago
        >>>Hong Kong--as it exists today--has fallen. A Chinese invasion of HK would make a great setting for the next "Fallen" movie, if only Hollywood wasn't so busy sucking up to the CCP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_(film_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_(film_series)
  - kerng 6y ago
    Hong kong is part of a giant pearl river delta which will become the largest economic region in the world when CCP plans work out. It has extreme powerful geopolitical meaning and value because of its location.
eumenides1 6y ago
My personal take for HK Citizens: Get out! You are not going to win against CCP in this scenario. They have bigger army diplomacy AND they don't have rule of law. Continue protesting, but figure away out, and Get out! By staying, you are helping the CCP. You work, spend, and play in HK, you are giving the CCP money and power to continue doing this to you. By leaving, you take value out of the equation. When people leave en masse. You can then form groups and communities elsewhere. Tell people of your plight, teach your kids the lessons you learned, and take on the CCP from a better position.
- bubmiw 6y ago
  Majority of hk isn't pro ccp or protesters, just think one is slightly better than the other. Most prefer previous status quo. I would personally leave but most won't
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