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I think that your insinuation that a significant number of those sci-fi aesthetics were implemented at a detriment to usability or safety is completely incorrec

I think that your insinuation that a significant number of those sci-fi aesthetics were implemented at a detriment to usability or safety is completely incorrect.

fermienrico 6y ago
Could you please elaborate more on why it is completely incorrect? I think the opposite from what I've seen. Touch screens in a space capsule cockpit with UI and fonts that appear to be more of a pizzaz than functional. I think that SpaceX has leaned too much towards decoration while presumably sacrificing a tremendous amount of functional aspects. I don't know for sure because I've not operated those systems but I've seen Everyday Astronaut's YT tour of the Dragon capsule and it is a sad sight. My guess is neither have any of us used those systems, these are observations from limited information. I am also willing to bet, SpaceX UI designers have never even touched this document: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=19940023266 https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=19940023266
- thelean12 6y ago
  Sure, I'll expand. We both have limited information. I assume that the professionals at SpaceX and NASA have prioritized safety and usability, while also introducing a sci-fi vibe. This is a reasonable position. You, however, take a conspiracy theory (the literal definition) angle that SpaceX have reduced the safety and usability of their module in order to look cooler. Do you see why this is not a reasonable position with the information that we have?
  - fermienrico 6y ago
    > while also introducing a sci-fi vibe. This is a reasonable position. I think that's my main grumpy objection. May be I am just old. I also found your dismissal as "conspiracy" a low blow. How can I engage in a productive discussion when the other party dismisses your entire proposition as a conspiracy theory - you don't seem to see any issues with that?
    - thelean12 6y ago
      You've turned your "grumpy objection" into suggesting that SpaceX is willing to reduce the usability safety of their systems for style. That's a huge jump that I felt should be called out. Maybe conspiracy theory was too harsh, but I stand by heavily calling you out for hatching this idea with minimal evidence beyond "grumpy objections" to a sci-fi vibe.
  - Koshkin 6y ago
    Thing is, at a minimum the "vibe" increases the cost, but financial constraints aren't going away, so...
    - thelean12 6y ago
      Says who? Or are you just guessing? You'd also have to ignore the PR benefits, which certainly corresponds to more money down the line.

I think that your insinuation that a significant number of those sci-fi aesthetics were implemented at a detriment to usability or safety is completely incorrect.

fermienrico 6y ago

Could you please elaborate more on why it is completely incorrect? I think the opposite from what I've seen. Touch screens in a space capsule cockpit with UI and fonts that appear to be more of a pizzaz than functional. I think that SpaceX has leaned too much towards decoration while presumably sacrificing a tremendous amount of functional aspects. I don't know for sure because I've not operated those systems but I've seen Everyday Astronaut's YT tour of the Dragon capsule and it is a sad sight. My guess is neither have any of us used those systems, these are observations from limited information. I am also willing to bet, SpaceX UI designers have never even touched this document: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=19940023266 https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=19940023266

thelean12 6y ago
Sure, I'll expand. We both have limited information. I assume that the professionals at SpaceX and NASA have prioritized safety and usability, while also introducing a sci-fi vibe. This is a reasonable position. You, however, take a conspiracy theory (the literal definition) angle that SpaceX have reduced the safety and usability of their module in order to look cooler. Do you see why this is not a reasonable position with the information that we have?
- fermienrico 6y ago
  > while also introducing a sci-fi vibe. This is a reasonable position. I think that's my main grumpy objection. May be I am just old. I also found your dismissal as "conspiracy" a low blow. How can I engage in a productive discussion when the other party dismisses your entire proposition as a conspiracy theory - you don't seem to see any issues with that?
  - thelean12 6y ago
    You've turned your "grumpy objection" into suggesting that SpaceX is willing to reduce the usability safety of their systems for style. That's a huge jump that I felt should be called out. Maybe conspiracy theory was too harsh, but I stand by heavily calling you out for hatching this idea with minimal evidence beyond "grumpy objections" to a sci-fi vibe.
- Koshkin 6y ago
  Thing is, at a minimum the "vibe" increases the cost, but financial constraints aren't going away, so...
  - thelean12 6y ago
    Says who? Or are you just guessing? You'd also have to ignore the PR benefits, which certainly corresponds to more money down the line.