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Google has major investments in China. Looking at "Youtube" in a bubble doesn't tell the whole story. I don't think "conspiracy theory" is correct - it's simp

Google has major investments in China. Looking at "Youtube" in a bubble doesn't tell the whole story. I don't think "conspiracy theory" is correct - it's simply a private business doing what's best for itself financially. Google isn't some government institution. ...or is it?

wongarsu 6y ago
If the CCP says "if you delete anti-CCP content on Youtube we will act more favorably towards your other enterprises in China" and Google does just that, that's a conspiracy. I'm not so sure if that's what's going on, but it seems probable enough to consider.
- baybal2 6y ago
  I have another explanation: Take a look at Sundar Pichai background. He grew up in a middle class family in Tamil Nadu, quite a red part of India back in seventies, and then West Bengal, an even more hard red state. Add that he been to one of IITs, which were a product of Nehruism. IITs were quite known for left slant in alumni networks in the Western states to full blown Marxism classes being taught in the east in seventies. He might have been recruited there. Remember, there are basically two flavours of communism in India. One is more or less vanilla one, and another clandestine/militant one came from China, and Nepal, with a potent Maoist spin.
  - ryanisnan 6y ago
    When you're making tinfoil hats, do you prefer name brand or generic? My wife likes to save a few cents by purchasing generic, but I am an Alcan fan, all the way.
    - baybal2 6y ago
      Saying that somebody under the influence of the left for a long time can be a secret communist is not a joke concern at all. You know, just 40-30 years ago USSR, was recruiting millions of communists in the West in the most literal sense of this word during the cold war. They were ready to launch attacks, kill, sabotage, subvert. Nothing funny. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism#History https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism#History
      - thedudeabides5 6y ago
        Seems like a pretty elaborate ruse to plant a mole/spy at the very top of one of America's biggest tech companies just to enable the dastardly plan of ...shadow banning YouTube comments/videos.
      - ryanisnan 6y ago
        I should not disparage your concern. I apologize for that. I think it's completely reasonable to doubt people's motivations, but I think it's unreasonable to attribute them to influence by ill-defined, Illuminati-esque groups, or vague ideological political leanings. Looking at the matter at hand, we're talking about youtube comments. We don't need to look far to see other instances of Google pandering to the Chinese government, directly in support of censorship.
seph-reed 6y ago
define: conspire intransitive verb - To plan together secretly to commit an illegal or wrongful act or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action. intransitive verb - To join or act together; combine. intransitive verb - To plan or plot secretly. ----------------- Governments conspire. If they do it well, you can not prove it, only theorize. "Conspiracy theories"
- msla 6y ago
  Another definition: A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.
  - seph-reed 6y ago
    You're defining a bad conspiracy theory. Most (but not all) of them are bad. Some of them have been true. To say all conspiracy theories are bad is to say the government never conspires, or at least nobody ever correctly theorizes about it. Seems unlikely.
    - msla 6y ago
      No, I'm simply using the noun phrase the way normal people use it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory and check out the citations.

wongarsu 6y ago

If the CCP says "if you delete anti-CCP content on Youtube we will act more favorably towards your other enterprises in China" and Google does just that, that's a conspiracy. I'm not so sure if that's what's going on, but it seems probable enough to consider.

baybal2 6y ago
I have another explanation: Take a look at Sundar Pichai background. He grew up in a middle class family in Tamil Nadu, quite a red part of India back in seventies, and then West Bengal, an even more hard red state. Add that he been to one of IITs, which were a product of Nehruism. IITs were quite known for left slant in alumni networks in the Western states to full blown Marxism classes being taught in the east in seventies. He might have been recruited there. Remember, there are basically two flavours of communism in India. One is more or less vanilla one, and another clandestine/militant one came from China, and Nepal, with a potent Maoist spin.
- ryanisnan 6y ago
  When you're making tinfoil hats, do you prefer name brand or generic? My wife likes to save a few cents by purchasing generic, but I am an Alcan fan, all the way.
  - baybal2 6y ago
    Saying that somebody under the influence of the left for a long time can be a secret communist is not a joke concern at all. You know, just 40-30 years ago USSR, was recruiting millions of communists in the West in the most literal sense of this word during the cold war. They were ready to launch attacks, kill, sabotage, subvert. Nothing funny. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism#History https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism#History
    - thedudeabides5 6y ago
      Seems like a pretty elaborate ruse to plant a mole/spy at the very top of one of America's biggest tech companies just to enable the dastardly plan of ...shadow banning YouTube comments/videos.
    - ryanisnan 6y ago
      I should not disparage your concern. I apologize for that. I think it's completely reasonable to doubt people's motivations, but I think it's unreasonable to attribute them to influence by ill-defined, Illuminati-esque groups, or vague ideological political leanings. Looking at the matter at hand, we're talking about youtube comments. We don't need to look far to see other instances of Google pandering to the Chinese government, directly in support of censorship.

seph-reed 6y ago

define: conspire intransitive verb - To plan together secretly to commit an illegal or wrongful act or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action. intransitive verb - To join or act together; combine. intransitive verb - To plan or plot secretly. ----------------- Governments conspire. If they do it well, you can not prove it, only theorize. "Conspiracy theories"

msla 6y ago
Another definition: A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.
- seph-reed 6y ago
  You're defining a bad conspiracy theory. Most (but not all) of them are bad. Some of them have been true. To say all conspiracy theories are bad is to say the government never conspires, or at least nobody ever correctly theorizes about it. Seems unlikely.
  - msla 6y ago
    No, I'm simply using the noun phrase the way normal people use it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory and check out the citations.