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yeah, hopefully they just move to taiwan

by f00_ 6y ago

gpm 6y ago
Or the UK, or really anywhere else outside of CCP control.
magicsmoke 6y ago
The smart ones already moved out in 1997 to Hongkouver. The ones left in HK are those without the money or skills to emigrate.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  Friendly reminder that wealth does not equal intelligence.
tasogare 6y ago
Yet Taiwan is also under threat from PRC. Also emigrating (ie leaving born place, family, friends, etc) is not that easy even when money/job is not an issue.
- ericmay 6y ago
  It's a much different threat, however. As I've covered in other threads, CCP action against Taiwan will result in an actual war which may or may not involve the U.S. and to an unknown degree.
pkaye 6y ago
Elsewhere I've ready that Hong Kong and Taiwan have a lot of differences like Mandarin vs Cantonese. Also Hong Kong has a much higher GDP per capita.
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  > like Mandarin vs Cantonese Noob question, how much do these differ? Also does it go further, perhaps a difference in culture as well as language?
  - av_engr 6y ago
    They are quite different. Personal take, imagine Scottish English vs American English but 2x that.
    - bobthepanda 6y ago
      If you're talking about spoken, probably the difference is something more like English v German. Individual words can look similar but combine them into a sentence and you probably wouldn't be able to parse it on a first take (if they were transcribed into romanized letters), and there are some grammar differences.
      - dmoy 6y ago
        It's even worse than English v German imo (speaking both, and descendant from Cantonese, married to a mainlander) The german grammar is a fair point though. Makes every sentence sound like churchill trying to be annoying on purpose. It's like English v German, but imagine that German had a bunch of sounds that seem identical to you but are actually different sounds (you just can't hear the difference). Imagine that German Wasser (water) and Wäscher (washer, ish) sounded exactly the same to you, and you couldn't tell the difference. Now imagine that literally every single word had dozens of those identically-sounding-but-actually-different-sounding-to-native-speakers examples. The issue imo is the increase in tones. Mandarin has 4-5 tones, cantonese has like 6-9. And the tones in Mandarin are much easier to distinguish.
  - Analemma_ 6y ago
    Cantonese and Mandarin are mutually unintelligible. China likes to call them different dialects for political reasons, but for all practical purposes they are different languages.
  - theandrewbailey 6y ago
    Quite a bit. I found this video informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2km_z4-1T8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2km_z4-1T8
- f00_ 6y ago
  true, but the written language is exactly the same. taiwan has national health care, really good public transportation system, really liberal government (gay marriage recently) despite the low gdp. I would move there if they legalized weed which is sadly unlikely now that hong kong is a part of the PRC, maybe they'll be forced to use the national language (mandarin) lol
redisman 6y ago
What all of them?

yeah, hopefully they just move to taiwan

by f00_ 6y ago

yeah, hopefully they just move to taiwan

gpm 6y ago

Or the UK, or really anywhere else outside of CCP control.

magicsmoke 6y ago

The smart ones already moved out in 1997 to Hongkouver. The ones left in HK are those without the money or skills to emigrate.

elliekelly 6y ago
Friendly reminder that wealth does not equal intelligence.

tasogare 6y ago

Yet Taiwan is also under threat from PRC. Also emigrating (ie leaving born place, family, friends, etc) is not that easy even when money/job is not an issue.

ericmay 6y ago
It's a much different threat, however. As I've covered in other threads, CCP action against Taiwan will result in an actual war which may or may not involve the U.S. and to an unknown degree.

pkaye 6y ago

Elsewhere I've ready that Hong Kong and Taiwan have a lot of differences like Mandarin vs Cantonese. Also Hong Kong has a much higher GDP per capita.

throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
> like Mandarin vs Cantonese Noob question, how much do these differ? Also does it go further, perhaps a difference in culture as well as language?
- av_engr 6y ago
  They are quite different. Personal take, imagine Scottish English vs American English but 2x that.
  - bobthepanda 6y ago
    If you're talking about spoken, probably the difference is something more like English v German. Individual words can look similar but combine them into a sentence and you probably wouldn't be able to parse it on a first take (if they were transcribed into romanized letters), and there are some grammar differences.
    - dmoy 6y ago
      It's even worse than English v German imo (speaking both, and descendant from Cantonese, married to a mainlander) The german grammar is a fair point though. Makes every sentence sound like churchill trying to be annoying on purpose. It's like English v German, but imagine that German had a bunch of sounds that seem identical to you but are actually different sounds (you just can't hear the difference). Imagine that German Wasser (water) and Wäscher (washer, ish) sounded exactly the same to you, and you couldn't tell the difference. Now imagine that literally every single word had dozens of those identically-sounding-but-actually-different-sounding-to-native-speakers examples. The issue imo is the increase in tones. Mandarin has 4-5 tones, cantonese has like 6-9. And the tones in Mandarin are much easier to distinguish.
- Analemma_ 6y ago
  Cantonese and Mandarin are mutually unintelligible. China likes to call them different dialects for political reasons, but for all practical purposes they are different languages.
- theandrewbailey 6y ago
  Quite a bit. I found this video informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2km_z4-1T8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2km_z4-1T8
f00_ 6y ago
true, but the written language is exactly the same. taiwan has national health care, really good public transportation system, really liberal government (gay marriage recently) despite the low gdp. I would move there if they legalized weed which is sadly unlikely now that hong kong is a part of the PRC, maybe they'll be forced to use the national language (mandarin) lol

redisman 6y ago

What all of them?