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"communist bandits" (or its Chinese version) absolutely does convey an opinion, and that phrase regardless of its use or context is being removed.
by Karunamon 6y ago
"communist bandits" (or its Chinese version) absolutely does convey an opinion, and that phrase regardless of its use or context is being removed.
- trasz 6y agoIf you count hate speech as an opinion.
- dgellow 6y agoThat doesn’t make any sense. An opinion cannot be hate speech, that’s a categorization error and not at all how hate speech works. It’s the other way around: an expressed hateful opinion may be considered hate speech by the law or someone. And an opinion may be considered hateful. But the other way doesn’t make any sense.
- trasz 6y agoHow about a thought experiment: in "communist bandits", replace "communist" with derogatory name for some other nation or social group.
- cmdshiftf4 6y agoAll over social media, all day, every day, people accuse others derogatorily of being fascists. Both are political ideologies. Would you be as happy to see fascism protected from negative commentary online, as you clearly would communism?
- trasz 6y agoIs the word "fascism" used to refer to current citizens of a particular country, which don't have anything to do with the stuff we hate fascism for? Because the word "communism" is - the comments in question don't attack "communist ideology"; they are derogatory comments aimed at one particular nation.
- artificial 6y agoItaly?
- hangphyr 6y agoAnother one: "I hate onions". Now, replace onions with a derogatory name for another group. We can't prohibit negative words on account they can be used to express negative opinions about other groups of humans. In the case of communist bandits, it's a criticism of a political ideology, and in particular here one party. Criticism of political parties and ideologies is completely fine, even when expressing insults to them. Expressing threats of violence or other crimes isn't permitted or moral, but expressing dislike or disrespect is perfectly valid. Can anyone say they've never expressed disrespect to any ideology or political party in their life?
- trasz 6y agoNo, "communist bandits" obviously refers to a group of people, not ideology. Furthermore, while you could argue it's about some particular organisation, it's often being used to refer to chinese citizens in general.
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- catalogia 6y ago"Republican bandits." Does that offend you?
- brodouevencode 6y agoI'm not so sure that's true. Consider: "All <n-word>s need to go back to Africa." (clearly and overly hateful) "All black people need to go back to Africa." (still hateful) "All African-Americans need to go back to Africa." (All words are accepted, but the notion is still rather hateful) No matter what words one uses it could be considered hate speech by today's definition. Disclaimer: I do not nor do I advocate using racial slurs, the stub in here was just to prove a point.
- artificial 6y agoCan you please link to the hate speech definition that's being referring to?
- brodouevencode 6y agoThere's no "legal" definition of hate speech according to the US federal government, but the most accepted that I've found is "any form of expression through which speakers intend to vilify, humiliate, or incite hatred against a group or a class of persons". See: https://repository.law.miami.edu/umlr/vol52/iss3/4/ https://repository.law.miami.edu/umlr/vol52/iss3/4/
- dgellow 6y agoAn expressed opinion considered hateful can be “hate speech” (depending the legal/accepted definition), yes.
- xkde 6y agoIt isn’t funny when your opinions get categorized as hate speech and it’s your ox getting gored.
- hangphyr 6y agoThat's one of the many core dangers of disrespecting free speech for the sake of prohibiting "hate speech". It's a very, very short step for a government to persecute criticism of themselves on the basis of "hate speech".
- msla 6y agoThinking all Chinese people are lockstep behind the CCP is racist. It plays into the "Asian hive mind" stereotype.