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Those are not "anti-CCP comments", it's just spam. They don't convey any information or opinion.

by trasz 6y ago

dathinab 6y ago
There had been multiple previous threads on this on hackernews which show that YouTube is indeed deleting comments with certain chinese keywords which are mostly used in anti-CCP context. Furthermore YouTube comment are full of spam and YouTube doesn't delete them, so why is it that if they contain certain Chinese keywords (in Chinese) they do delete them?
- trasz 6y ago
  I'm not sure YT doesn't delete other kinds of spam, in particular other instances of hate speech.
- cortesoft 6y ago
  > Furthermore YouTube comment are full of spam and YouTube doesn't delete them, so why is it that if they contain certain Chinese keywords (in Chinese) they do delete them? I think this just shows their spam filtering is not perfect. They delete lots of spam, in both English and Chinese, but some slip through. Your comment seems to imply that the ONLY comments that are being deleted are the ones with the Chinese keywords. That is certainly not true. It tries to delete all spam, but the spam detection has both false negatives and false positives. That doesn't necessarily mean there is a conspiracy (doesn't mean there isn't, but provides no evidence that there is)
  - brodouevencode 6y ago
    > I think this just shows their spam filtering is not perfect. Excuse my bluntness here, but that is a very lazy excuse. A lot of comments are repeated, utter trash that span multiple channels and videos from known bad actors. Sure no spam filtering is perfect but in this case it's obvious YT has gone out of their way to handle that data differently.
techntoke 6y ago
Thanks for have some sense here. Just typing two words is not a comment. It is akin to spam on practically every platform.
- topspin 6y ago
  Why is this particular "spam" being deleted? Youtube comments are full of similar "spam" that somehow goes undeleted.
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  The point is that those two words are (in China) associated with being against the CCP. It’s kindof similar to “black lives matter”. To some, it’s a symbol of hate (with re. to the police). To others, it’s a symbol of fighting back.
  - trasz 6y ago
    Even if you assume those comments are written by Chinese trying to fight for their rights - and I doubt it is the case - there's still a fundamental difference: #blacklivesmatter was a tag that accompanied actual content. Here, there's nothing but the "tag", copy/pasted all over the place without adding any value.
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- dathinab 6y ago
  They deleted you comment if it contained one of multiple "words" (compound words, short phrases). It's like censoring someone commenting "It's FBI sponsored" or "Russian propaganda". Sometimes a view words in a context can say as much as a long sentence. Also in Chinese thinks are a bit more complicated due to how different glyph can be combined and/or used in conjuncture. So I wouldn't be surprised if there is a situation where commenting with a single Chinese glyph is saying as much as a long sentence!
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Karunamon 6y ago
"communist bandits" (or its Chinese version) absolutely does convey an opinion, and that phrase regardless of its use or context is being removed.
- trasz 6y ago
  If you count hate speech as an opinion.
  - dgellow 6y ago
    That doesn’t make any sense. An opinion cannot be hate speech, that’s a categorization error and not at all how hate speech works. It’s the other way around: an expressed hateful opinion may be considered hate speech by the law or someone. And an opinion may be considered hateful. But the other way doesn’t make any sense.
    - trasz 6y ago
      How about a thought experiment: in "communist bandits", replace "communist" with derogatory name for some other nation or social group.
      - cmdshiftf4 6y ago
        All over social media, all day, every day, people accuse others derogatorily of being fascists. Both are political ideologies. Would you be as happy to see fascism protected from negative commentary online, as you clearly would communism?
        trasz 6y ago
        Is the word "fascism" used to refer to current citizens of a particular country, which don't have anything to do with the stuff we hate fascism for? Because the word "communism" is - the comments in question don't attack "communist ideology"; they are derogatory comments aimed at one particular nation.

Those are not "anti-CCP comments", it's just spam. They don't convey any information or opinion.

by trasz 6y ago

Those are not "anti-CCP comments", it's just spam. They don't convey any information or opinion.

There had been multiple previous threads on this on hackernews which show that YouTube is indeed deleting comments with certain chinese keywords which are mostly used in anti-CCP context. Furthermore YouTube comment are full of spam and YouTube doesn't delete them, so why is it that if they contain certain Chinese keywords (in Chinese) they do delete them?

trasz 6y ago
I'm not sure YT doesn't delete other kinds of spam, in particular other instances of hate speech.
cortesoft 6y ago
> Furthermore YouTube comment are full of spam and YouTube doesn't delete them, so why is it that if they contain certain Chinese keywords (in Chinese) they do delete them? I think this just shows their spam filtering is not perfect. They delete lots of spam, in both English and Chinese, but some slip through. Your comment seems to imply that the ONLY comments that are being deleted are the ones with the Chinese keywords. That is certainly not true. It tries to delete all spam, but the spam detection has both false negatives and false positives. That doesn't necessarily mean there is a conspiracy (doesn't mean there isn't, but provides no evidence that there is)
- brodouevencode 6y ago
  > I think this just shows their spam filtering is not perfect. Excuse my bluntness here, but that is a very lazy excuse. A lot of comments are repeated, utter trash that span multiple channels and videos from known bad actors. Sure no spam filtering is perfect but in this case it's obvious YT has gone out of their way to handle that data differently.

techntoke 6y ago

Thanks for have some sense here. Just typing two words is not a comment. It is akin to spam on practically every platform.

topspin 6y ago
Why is this particular "spam" being deleted? Youtube comments are full of similar "spam" that somehow goes undeleted.
colejohnson66 6y ago
The point is that those two words are (in China) associated with being against the CCP. It’s kindof similar to “black lives matter”. To some, it’s a symbol of hate (with re. to the police). To others, it’s a symbol of fighting back.
- trasz 6y ago
  Even if you assume those comments are written by Chinese trying to fight for their rights - and I doubt it is the case - there's still a fundamental difference: #blacklivesmatter was a tag that accompanied actual content. Here, there's nothing but the "tag", copy/pasted all over the place without adding any value.
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dathinab 6y ago
They deleted you comment if it contained one of multiple "words" (compound words, short phrases). It's like censoring someone commenting "It's FBI sponsored" or "Russian propaganda". Sometimes a view words in a context can say as much as a long sentence. Also in Chinese thinks are a bit more complicated due to how different glyph can be combined and/or used in conjuncture. So I wouldn't be surprised if there is a situation where commenting with a single Chinese glyph is saying as much as a long sentence!
- 6y ago

Karunamon 6y ago

"communist bandits" (or its Chinese version) absolutely does convey an opinion, and that phrase regardless of its use or context is being removed.

trasz 6y ago
If you count hate speech as an opinion.
- dgellow 6y ago
  That doesn’t make any sense. An opinion cannot be hate speech, that’s a categorization error and not at all how hate speech works. It’s the other way around: an expressed hateful opinion may be considered hate speech by the law or someone. And an opinion may be considered hateful. But the other way doesn’t make any sense.
  - trasz 6y ago
    How about a thought experiment: in "communist bandits", replace "communist" with derogatory name for some other nation or social group.
    - cmdshiftf4 6y ago
      All over social media, all day, every day, people accuse others derogatorily of being fascists. Both are political ideologies. Would you be as happy to see fascism protected from negative commentary online, as you clearly would communism?
      - trasz 6y ago
        Is the word "fascism" used to refer to current citizens of a particular country, which don't have anything to do with the stuff we hate fascism for? Because the word "communism" is - the comments in question don't attack "communist ideology"; they are derogatory comments aimed at one particular nation.