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We could fine/punish people if they post misinformation, even implement a kind of points system where the person has some societal rights given or taken, like b

by devtul 6y ago

We could fine/punish people if they post misinformation, even implement a kind of points system where the person has some societal rights given or taken, like being banned from sharing, commenting, doing any type of publishing on the internet. Would that be too harsh? For sure it would prevent needless deaths.

ojnabieoot 6y ago
Let’s address the reality of the situation first. I am not interested in playing this stupid game where the private acts of private corporations suddenly become the acts of government. A private content publisher is allowed to moderate the stuff they publish. Simon and Schuster rejecting my novel is not censorship. This principle includes highly permissive content publishers like Facebook and Twitter. I don’t think anyone here is seriously arguing that the Klan deserves a Facebook group. Obviously it’s well within Facebook’s rights as both an online business and a publicly-accessible service to kick the Klan out. So I am really not seeing what is so authoritarian about removing misinformation about public health - the only way your argument is even remotely defensible is if you wrap it up in a ridiculous thought experiment. And being banned from Facebook for posting conspiracy theories is no more Stalinist than being banned from Chuck-E-Cheese for booing Munich’s Make Believe Band. To get to your actual point: Shouting “fire!” in a crowded theater when there is no fire will land you in jail. Lying about the efficacy of your pharmaceutical company’s medications will (or should) land you in jail. And a successful libel/slander lawsuit can ruin you. Some of these legal issues are thorny and I have mixed feelings on them (until recently Canada has highly repressive libel laws). But certainly lying pharma executives who get people killed should go to jail. Certainly the guy who pranked the crowded theater should be held criminally liable for the resulting stampede. Free speech is not and had never been the same thing as freedom from consequences of speech. If it’s just some guy ranting on the street then yes, congratulations, the state should leave him alone.
- yesco 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_the...
- jungletime 6y ago
  I don't think its as simple as that. Many of these large companies do so much business with the government, and comply to so many government rules already, at some point you have to wonder to what degree they are separate at all. If lockheed Lockheed Martin, Planatir, or Boeing ceased getting government money, they would probably not exist. And if Facebook and Twitter really became anti establishment, their stock would tank, and most likely would quickly be taken over or bankrupted.

by devtul 6y ago

ojnabieoot 6y ago

Let’s address the reality of the situation first. I am not interested in playing this stupid game where the private acts of private corporations suddenly become the acts of government. A private content publisher is allowed to moderate the stuff they publish. Simon and Schuster rejecting my novel is not censorship. This principle includes highly permissive content publishers like Facebook and Twitter. I don’t think anyone here is seriously arguing that the Klan deserves a Facebook group. Obviously it’s well within Facebook’s rights as both an online business and a publicly-accessible service to kick the Klan out. So I am really not seeing what is so authoritarian about removing misinformation about public health - the only way your argument is even remotely defensible is if you wrap it up in a ridiculous thought experiment. And being banned from Facebook for posting conspiracy theories is no more Stalinist than being banned from Chuck-E-Cheese for booing Munich’s Make Believe Band. To get to your actual point: Shouting “fire!” in a crowded theater when there is no fire will land you in jail. Lying about the efficacy of your pharmaceutical company’s medications will (or should) land you in jail. And a successful libel/slander lawsuit can ruin you. Some of these legal issues are thorny and I have mixed feelings on them (until recently Canada has highly repressive libel laws). But certainly lying pharma executives who get people killed should go to jail. Certainly the guy who pranked the crowded theater should be held criminally liable for the resulting stampede. Free speech is not and had never been the same thing as freedom from consequences of speech. If it’s just some guy ranting on the street then yes, congratulations, the state should leave him alone.

yesco 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_the...
jungletime 6y ago
I don't think its as simple as that. Many of these large companies do so much business with the government, and comply to so many government rules already, at some point you have to wonder to what degree they are separate at all. If lockheed Lockheed Martin, Planatir, or Boeing ceased getting government money, they would probably not exist. And if Facebook and Twitter really became anti establishment, their stock would tank, and most likely would quickly be taken over or bankrupted.