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It's amusing (from the comments) how much people are biased towards Apple. 1. Apple does it online, Google does it offline, hence Apple being slower is okay. B

by tsycho 6y ago

It's amusing (from the comments) how much people are biased towards Apple. 1. Apple does it online, Google does it offline, hence Apple being slower is okay. But why is Apple's transcription more inaccurate then? 2. Google violates privacy because it used 411 data to train its models, hence its speech transcription quality is better. But Apple is the one doing it online, are we sure it's not using the voice data too, similar to how it has/was doing it with Siri? It will sound like I am trying to defend/promote Google here, but that's very far from my intent. As an iPhone user since the first iPhone, I just want iPhones to be better. I use iPhones for the same privacy concerns as many of you, but let's not give a pass to Apple. Let’s demand higher quality from them so that they spend the time, money and effort to improve. I don’t want to feel like I am compromising on a worse overall experience in favor of better privacy when i buy my next phone.

nods 6y ago
Why do you say: "I use iPhones for the same privacy concerns as many of you"? In the past I have heard rumors that is not true, with a quick search I found out a recent article on the rumors that I heard once: https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/05/21/apple-iphone-ipad-privacy-siri-recordings-ios-upgrade-iphone-11-pro-max-update/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/05/21/apple-ip... PS: Either way, I agree with most of your comment. :)
- willis936 6y ago
  Because the alternative is Android, which is very difficult to de-Google. Even if you do de-Google you need to open yourself up to a swath of security concerns. Why would I trust some internet account that is giving me a binary that compromises my phone for me? Should I trust that it will only do what they say it will do because they are a good person? Would they have nothing to gain for having complete control of my device? So, if the choice of secure phone is between stock Android and stock iPhone, then I think iPhone is the lesser of two privacy evils.
  - jneplokh 6y ago
    GrapheneOS is a de-googled Android and secure.
    - nods 6y ago
      I would assume ROMs like LineageOS would be viable as well.
    - tarsinge 6y ago
      What’s the % of users who use that? Until you can buy a de-googled Android phone straight from the store it’s kind of irrelevant to the comparison for the majority of non technical users.
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    iOS having better privacy is a myth. iOS sends your location to Apple every time any the GPS is used, and you can't turn it off. You cannot install apps on your phone without telling Apple which apps they are, and if you want to develop your own apps for your device without having to reinstall weekly, you have to hand over payment information. Stock Android devices from nearly any vendor do not suffer from these problems, and reputable vendors do even better (like in this case, where even voice transcription does not send data off device).
    - derefr 6y ago
      Those are different things than what most people talking about iOS privacy mean by “privacy.” The thing people usually mean by privacy is “security of personal data and metadata”—i.e. being able to use your phone to break the (perhaps unjust) law, without a state actor being able to then prove you broke the law by forensically analyzing your phone. Phones already leak a lot of circumstantial forensic evidence just by being phones. They talk to cell towers, for instance. So there’s a certain level of information leakage you’re accepting by doing something private on a phone in the first place. The point of choosing one phone over another, for its privacy, should be to secure the phone in all the other ways—to prevent any information from leaking that can be prevented from leaking while retaining the functionality of the phone. In that regard, iOS is usually considered the winner. (Also, iOS is frequently considered the winner just by the fact that Apple devices can’t be interfered with by OEMs at the behest of state actors; in est, the OEM is always Apple, and so the only applicable state actor is the US. If I’m e.g. a Canadian diplomat in China and my phone breaks, I’m not going to trust a Chinese-OEM Android phone, but I might be able to trust a phone I send a plainclothes gofer to buy me from a Chinese Apple Store.)
scblock 6y ago
Apple does not do the transcription online, at least not on any modern iPhone. Turn on airplane mode and disconnect wifi and give it a try yourself.
- baq 6y ago
  i think it does both. online has much better accuracy in my experience.
- _nhynes 6y ago
  It requires iOS 13. Here's the code that does it: var req: SFSpeechRecognitionRequest; if #available(iOS 13, *) { req.requiresOnDeviceRecognition = true } And the docs link: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/speech/sfspeechrecognitionrequest/3152603-requiresondevicerecognition https://developer.apple.com/documentation/speech/sfspeechrec...

by tsycho 6y ago

nods 6y ago

Why do you say: "I use iPhones for the same privacy concerns as many of you"? In the past I have heard rumors that is not true, with a quick search I found out a recent article on the rumors that I heard once: https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/05/21/apple-iphone-ipad-privacy-siri-recordings-ios-upgrade-iphone-11-pro-max-update/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/05/21/apple-ip... PS: Either way, I agree with most of your comment. :)

willis936 6y ago
Because the alternative is Android, which is very difficult to de-Google. Even if you do de-Google you need to open yourself up to a swath of security concerns. Why would I trust some internet account that is giving me a binary that compromises my phone for me? Should I trust that it will only do what they say it will do because they are a good person? Would they have nothing to gain for having complete control of my device? So, if the choice of secure phone is between stock Android and stock iPhone, then I think iPhone is the lesser of two privacy evils.
- jneplokh 6y ago
  GrapheneOS is a de-googled Android and secure.
  - nods 6y ago
    I would assume ROMs like LineageOS would be viable as well.
  - tarsinge 6y ago
    What’s the % of users who use that? Until you can buy a de-googled Android phone straight from the store it’s kind of irrelevant to the comparison for the majority of non technical users.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  iOS having better privacy is a myth. iOS sends your location to Apple every time any the GPS is used, and you can't turn it off. You cannot install apps on your phone without telling Apple which apps they are, and if you want to develop your own apps for your device without having to reinstall weekly, you have to hand over payment information. Stock Android devices from nearly any vendor do not suffer from these problems, and reputable vendors do even better (like in this case, where even voice transcription does not send data off device).
  - derefr 6y ago
    Those are different things than what most people talking about iOS privacy mean by “privacy.” The thing people usually mean by privacy is “security of personal data and metadata”—i.e. being able to use your phone to break the (perhaps unjust) law, without a state actor being able to then prove you broke the law by forensically analyzing your phone. Phones already leak a lot of circumstantial forensic evidence just by being phones. They talk to cell towers, for instance. So there’s a certain level of information leakage you’re accepting by doing something private on a phone in the first place. The point of choosing one phone over another, for its privacy, should be to secure the phone in all the other ways—to prevent any information from leaking that can be prevented from leaking while retaining the functionality of the phone. In that regard, iOS is usually considered the winner. (Also, iOS is frequently considered the winner just by the fact that Apple devices can’t be interfered with by OEMs at the behest of state actors; in est, the OEM is always Apple, and so the only applicable state actor is the US. If I’m e.g. a Canadian diplomat in China and my phone breaks, I’m not going to trust a Chinese-OEM Android phone, but I might be able to trust a phone I send a plainclothes gofer to buy me from a Chinese Apple Store.)

scblock 6y ago

Apple does not do the transcription online, at least not on any modern iPhone. Turn on airplane mode and disconnect wifi and give it a try yourself.

baq 6y ago
i think it does both. online has much better accuracy in my experience.
_nhynes 6y ago
It requires iOS 13. Here's the code that does it: var req: SFSpeechRecognitionRequest; if #available(iOS 13, *) { req.requiresOnDeviceRecognition = true } And the docs link: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/speech/sfspeechrecognitionrequest/3152603-requiresondevicerecognition https://developer.apple.com/documentation/speech/sfspeechrec...