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Did you read the entire thing first? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mail-in-ballot-voter-fraud/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mail-in-ballot-voter-fraud

by safog 6y ago

Did you read the entire thing first? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mail-in-ballot-voter-fraud/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mail-in-ballot-voter-fraud... What's True While no U.S. government agency officially compiles state-by-state data on voter fraud, and requirements for mail-in voting vary by state, analysis by elections experts shows that fraud is slightly more common with mail-in voting than in-person voting at polling places. What's False All types of voter fraud in U.S. elections is minuscule in comparison to the number of ballots cast, according to elections experts. Taking that into consideration, it is problematic to make comparisons between types of ballot-casting systems and erroneous to claim mail-in voting "substantially" increases the risk of fraud.

caseysoftware 6y ago
Interesting thing to consider.. If fraud is more common with mail in voting and some states (or everyone?) converts entirely to mail in voting, how much will fraud increase overall? Will it increase enough to change the overall results? With Michigan and Wisconsin being decided in 2016 by less than 1% of the vote, there's not much margin for error, fraud, or mistakes.
- mgkimsal 6y ago
  another issue I don't see brought up in generalist areas is electronic voting machines. closed source / unaudited / unauditable software in voting machines - what % of fraud exists in those, and how would we even tell? lots of posturing about 'mail in' stuff right now, but compared to electronic machines used in many districts, I'd still prefer mail-in paper ballots.
  - caseysoftware 6y ago
    Agreed. The entire system and the people involved must be open for audit and review. Imagine what happens when $countryX realizes that bribing a few mailmen is even more cost effective than misinformation campaigns?
2019-nCoV 6y ago
> experts shows that fraud is slightly more common with mail-in voting than in-person voting at polling places So where is the line between slightly and substantial?
- Jarwain 6y ago
  Where it makes a difference in the vote at hand? Or, more likely, well before that
  - 2019-nCoV 6y ago
    How would anyone know what number of votes constitutes that difference until Nov 3?
growlist 6y ago
snopes? Really?

by safog 6y ago

caseysoftware 6y ago

Interesting thing to consider.. If fraud is more common with mail in voting and some states (or everyone?) converts entirely to mail in voting, how much will fraud increase overall? Will it increase enough to change the overall results? With Michigan and Wisconsin being decided in 2016 by less than 1% of the vote, there's not much margin for error, fraud, or mistakes.

mgkimsal 6y ago
another issue I don't see brought up in generalist areas is electronic voting machines. closed source / unaudited / unauditable software in voting machines - what % of fraud exists in those, and how would we even tell? lots of posturing about 'mail in' stuff right now, but compared to electronic machines used in many districts, I'd still prefer mail-in paper ballots.
- caseysoftware 6y ago
  Agreed. The entire system and the people involved must be open for audit and review. Imagine what happens when $countryX realizes that bribing a few mailmen is even more cost effective than misinformation campaigns?

2019-nCoV 6y ago

> experts shows that fraud is slightly more common with mail-in voting than in-person voting at polling places So where is the line between slightly and substantial?

Jarwain 6y ago
Where it makes a difference in the vote at hand? Or, more likely, well before that
- 2019-nCoV 6y ago
  How would anyone know what number of votes constitutes that difference until Nov 3?

growlist 6y ago

snopes? Really?