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The pseudo-democratic silicon valley model of freemium is the problem. Seducing you into using something with the word 'free' but then trapping you with a chang

by bawana 6y ago

The pseudo-democratic silicon valley model of freemium is the problem. Seducing you into using something with the word 'free' but then trapping you with a changing API and cost structure. They should be up front with the realization that our ability to pay THEM is not commensurate with use by OUR users. Fees should based on OUR revenue, not usage.

theturtletalks 6y ago
That's why I always look for an open-source alternative before using a free tier app. The free tiers are subsidized by paid ones so eventually users will have to pay up. Will be adding Supbase to https://opensource.builders https://opensource.builders.
mav3rick 6y ago
This is not a charity
hilbertseries 6y ago
> Fees should based on OUR revenue, not usage. So if someone builds a business that makes very little money but uses a ton of compute, the cloud provider should subsidize that? And conversely if you make a ton of money using barely any compute, you should pay your cloud provider a premium? This business model makes no sense.
- mav3rick 6y ago
  Seen a lot of non sense but the op's model is right up there.
- vikramkr 6y ago
  The cloud provider would very much like to have the premium part of the model without the subsidy. Theres a reason a lot of b2b enterprise products dont list prices on their websites and ask that you contact sales instead. Value based pricing and all.
valuearb 6y ago
If you want to use a lot of resources without paying the cost of providing them, you are the definition of a bad customer. Your service provider isn’t your VC, not lest of all because you aren’t giving them equity. Bad customers should always be fired ASAP so they don’t damage the business. Ideally a business provides a service it’s customers are happy to pay the costs of, and not just the costs, but also a significant profit. That leads to a virtuous circle where the business is incentivized to continue to invest in the service, adding more servers, engineers and support personnel to add more valuable features for its customers. Otherwise it’s just a matter of time before they post that farewell letter and give you the phase out date the servers are shutting down.

by bawana 6y ago

theturtletalks 6y ago

That's why I always look for an open-source alternative before using a free tier app. The free tiers are subsidized by paid ones so eventually users will have to pay up. Will be adding Supbase to https://opensource.builders https://opensource.builders.

mav3rick 6y ago

This is not a charity

hilbertseries 6y ago

> Fees should based on OUR revenue, not usage. So if someone builds a business that makes very little money but uses a ton of compute, the cloud provider should subsidize that? And conversely if you make a ton of money using barely any compute, you should pay your cloud provider a premium? This business model makes no sense.

mav3rick 6y ago
Seen a lot of non sense but the op's model is right up there.
vikramkr 6y ago
The cloud provider would very much like to have the premium part of the model without the subsidy. Theres a reason a lot of b2b enterprise products dont list prices on their websites and ask that you contact sales instead. Value based pricing and all.

valuearb 6y ago

If you want to use a lot of resources without paying the cost of providing them, you are the definition of a bad customer. Your service provider isn’t your VC, not lest of all because you aren’t giving them equity. Bad customers should always be fired ASAP so they don’t damage the business. Ideally a business provides a service it’s customers are happy to pay the costs of, and not just the costs, but also a significant profit. That leads to a virtuous circle where the business is incentivized to continue to invest in the service, adding more servers, engineers and support personnel to add more valuable features for its customers. Otherwise it’s just a matter of time before they post that farewell letter and give you the phase out date the servers are shutting down.